Why Not Utopia?

[Razgovory]

At any point you have a point you feel like making Raz, you should go ahead an make it.

IT was my understanding he added quite a bit to the field of economics, things that were useful beyond the idea of communism.

[Admiral Yi]

Such as?

[Razgovory]

Historical materialism.

[Admiral Yi]

None of my professors have ever mentioned that term, nor have any of my texts, nor any of the articles assigned in class.

Nor would that mean, even if they had, that "Karl Marx's analysis was largely correct."

Neither would it mean, even if his analysis were largely correct, that the way you tried to raise your point was well mannered or pleasant.

[grumbler]

At any point you have a point you feel like making Raz, you should go ahead an make it.

Obviously, the capitalist society was followed by the communist society. 

To be fair, I think Marx was essentially correct that humans don't get as much satisfaction out of work directed by others as they do from work they direct themselves, but that seems pretty self-evident.

I wonder what conclusions Marx would have reached had he just been born 50 years later, and seen the dawn of the Second industrial Revolution.  Like Malthus and Ricardo before him, he was projecting from a temporary state of affairs.

[Razgovory]

None of my professors have ever mentioned that term, nor have any of my texts, nor any of the articles assigned in class.

Nor would that mean, even if they had, that "Karl Marx's analysis was largely correct."

Neither would it mean, even if his analysis were largely correct, that the way you tried to raise your point was well mannered or pleasant.

Whatever you say Yi.

[Admiral Yi]

Ossum

[Sheilbh]

Historical materialism.

Terry Eagleton?

Agreed.

[Razgovory]

Ossum

Well, I'm done.

[Admiral Yi]

Did you ever start?

[Neil]

I wonder whose aggression is more passive?

[Sheilbh]

I wonder whose aggression is more passive?

I know. It's like a family event. Say, the funeral of an uncontroversially elderly and distantly loved relative.

[Admiral Yi]

Perhaps you could suggest a preferable way to respond to Raz's comment Shelf.

[jimmy olsen]

Assuming automation renders a large fraction of the population unemployable, then it seems inevitable that there will be some kind of revolution in the economic basis of society. How it occurs, and whether it more closely resembles a utopia rather than a dystopia is yet to be seen.

[Valmy]

Did you ever start?

Well he did say two words.

And why not? We need equally big thinkers now, and dreamers, and we need to be acting with them.

Sounds like we already have them. They are building machines.

If there is going to be a global market that will further enrich capitalists, there must be guarantees that the rest of the population can at least afford housing and food. And things can be even better than that: We'll have the robots work for us.

Bah Ide and I came up with the socialism via robots plan way back in 2003.

Humans are weird creatures though. There may be a society where everybody gets everything they need without having to do any work but I wonder just how Utopian it will really be.