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dps

#30
May 06, 2015, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: sbr on May 06, 2015, 05:53:06 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 06, 2015, 04:47:51 PM
So I've been mulling over the Franchise Four for the Cardinals and some other teams.

For the Cards I voted for Musial & Gibson (both no-brainers) and then figured I had to vote for Hornsby due to his lifetime BA.  Agonized over my last choice.  My heart was with Ozzie but I couldn't leave Pujols out with the numbers he put up.  After I put my vote in I checked the all-time WAR for Cards players.  The top 4 are Musial, Hornsby, Gibby & Pujols, with Ozzie ranked fifth.

For the Reds I voted Rose, Larkin, Frank Robinson, and Bench.  Checked the WAR and bam, nailed it again.

Gonna try to get through every team and see how close I get.

Hornsby played too long ago to be real.  I would put Ozzie in for him.

That's not the problem I have with Hornsby.  My problem with him is that he wasn't a very good second baseman.  He was a heck of a hitter, but he should have been shifted to a less demanding defensive position.  Plus, he was a grade-A ass. 

Still, he was such a great hitter that I'm not sure I'd put Ozzie ahead of him.

sbr

#31
May 06, 2015, 08:08:41 PM
Quote from: dps on May 06, 2015, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: sbr on May 06, 2015, 05:53:06 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 06, 2015, 04:47:51 PM
So I've been mulling over the Franchise Four for the Cardinals and some other teams.

For the Cards I voted for Musial & Gibson (both no-brainers) and then figured I had to vote for Hornsby due to his lifetime BA.  Agonized over my last choice.  My heart was with Ozzie but I couldn't leave Pujols out with the numbers he put up.  After I put my vote in I checked the all-time WAR for Cards players.  The top 4 are Musial, Hornsby, Gibby & Pujols, with Ozzie ranked fifth.

For the Reds I voted Rose, Larkin, Frank Robinson, and Bench.  Checked the WAR and bam, nailed it again.

Gonna try to get through every team and see how close I get.

Hornsby played too long ago to be real.  I would put Ozzie in for him.

That's not the problem I have with Hornsby.  My problem with him is that he wasn't a very good second baseman.  He was a heck of a hitter, but he should have been shifted to a less demanding defensive position.  Plus, he was a grade-A ass. 

Still, he was such a great hitter that I'm not sure I'd put Ozzie ahead of him.

I never saw him play so I can't comment on his defense. or how much of an ass he might have been.

And what position is less demanding than second base?

katmai

#32
May 06, 2015, 08:14:42 PM
Mathewson, Mays, Bonds, Posey
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#33
May 06, 2015, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: sbr on May 06, 2015, 08:08:41 PM
And what position is less demanding than second base?

Right and first.

derspiess

#34
May 06, 2015, 09:24:30 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 06, 2015, 05:21:10 PM
Pepper Martin, Whitey Kurowski, Bob Forsch, and  Ray Lankford

:lol:  I loved Lank back in the day.

Quote from: sbr on May 06, 2015, 05:53:06 PM
Hornsby played too long ago to be real.  I would put Ozzie in for him.

His lifetime BA is just too great to keep him off, and bonus points for that .424 year.  And in *no way* am I biased because I used to tear up Micro League using his 1924 year stats on the NL Greatest team.
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derspiess

#35
May 06, 2015, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 06, 2015, 08:14:42 PM
Mathewson, Mays, Bonds, Posey

Mays, Mathewson, McCovey, Ott.
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derspiess

#36
May 06, 2015, 10:03:16 PM
The choices for the expansion teams are a joke.  Yankees is a tough one, though.  I went with Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle & Jeter.
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alfred russel

#37
May 06, 2015, 10:26:31 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 06, 2015, 02:09:10 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 28, 2015, 11:16:11 PM
Braves blow an 8 run lead. Against the Nationals. With Dan Uggla (who blew for the Braves the past couple years) hitting a 3 run 9th inning homer for the Nats to give them the lead.

That's what I call winning uggla

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dps

#38
May 06, 2015, 11:17:51 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 06, 2015, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 06, 2015, 08:14:42 PM
Mathewson, Mays, Bonds, Posey

Mays, Mathewson, McCovey, Ott.

There's gotta be half a dozen other guys in Giants history who'd rank ahead of McCovey.  Don't get me wrong, McCovey was great, but the Giants have had a lot of great players.  I'd go with your other 3 and either Roger Connor or Juan Marichal.  Have to think on that one a bit.

Valmy

#39
May 07, 2015, 08:32:16 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 06, 2015, 10:03:16 PM
The choices for the expansion teams are a joke.  Yankees is a tough one, though.  I went with Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle & Jeter.

Jeter over DiMaggio? LOLZ?

The only modern player who I would consider is Rivera.
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Valmy

#40
May 07, 2015, 08:34:15 AM Last Edit: May 07, 2015, 08:38:38 AM by Valmy
This changes depending if you count the St. Louis Browns as Orioles.

If you do then Sisler, Brooks Robinson, Palmer, and Ripken. If you don't plug in Murray for Sisler.

I went to the Website and they have no Browns....so I guess I vote Murray, Ripken, Brooks Robinson, and Palmer. I really really want to vote for Frank because he is one of my personal favs but he only played for Baltimore for a short time.
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Valmy

#41
May 07, 2015, 08:40:29 AM Last Edit: May 07, 2015, 09:04:40 AM by Valmy
I noticed Frank is also listed for the Reds. Maybe I should have voted for him so he could be the MVP in both leagues again  :P

If you vote Nats you are actually voting for the greatest Expos. Also I don't think Frank Howard ever played for the Rangers, only for the Second Senators. Warren Spahn never pitched an inning in Atlanta. Seems kind of arbitrary what they do for the teams that moved.
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Valmy

#42
May 07, 2015, 08:52:44 AM Last Edit: May 07, 2015, 08:57:40 AM by Valmy
I am kind of a Negro League buff so I voted for Gibson, Paige, Buck Leonard, and Oscar Charleston.

There is also a weird category for old guys who played for teams that no longer exist. Went with Keeler, Sisler, Grover Cleveland Alexander 'Slayer of the Yankees', and Cap 'I am a fucking racist even by the standards of my time' Anson. Seriously fuck Cap Anson...damn great ballplayer though.

Huh. Why was Alexander here and not with the Cubs, Phillies, or Cardinals? I don't get this category at all.
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The Minsky Moment

#43
May 07, 2015, 09:52:19 AM
Baltimore hmm tough one - too many good 70s/80s choices but slim pickins after.

How bout

Boog Powell, Ken Singleton, Mike Flanagan, Brady Anderson
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The Minsky Moment

#44
May 07, 2015, 09:54:41 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 06, 2015, 10:03:16 PM
Yankees is a tough one, though.

Lefty Gomez, King Kong Keller, Gil McDougald, Ron Guidry.


Crap, no room for Bernie.  Yankees are tough.
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