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Admiral Yi

#15
April 02, 2015, 08:48:42 AM
At the very least we should all be able to agree that those fire departments that get paid by the fire are not a good idea.

Martinus

#16
April 02, 2015, 08:57:37 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 02, 2015, 07:41:35 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 02, 2015, 01:01:12 AM
(see Ferguson, firefighters setting fires or the entire pharma industry)

Ferguson? Where did privatization factor there? And pharma has never been a public service here really.

My point wasn't about privatisation per se - it was about making some activity for-profit. This was the case with the Ferguson police force, with city seeing tickets and fines as a major source of its profit, n'est-ce pas? And pharma never was a public service but the conflict of interest still exists (although admittedly there is no simple solution), what with all the corruption scandals about pharma companies bribing doctors to prescribe more drugs, or the fact that there is no cure or vaccine for HIV - as "HIV maintenance" drugs make much more sense from a commercial perspective.

Valmy

#17
April 02, 2015, 08:59:02 AM Last Edit: April 02, 2015, 09:01:16 AM by Valmy
Quote from: Martinus on April 02, 2015, 08:57:37 AM

My point wasn't about privatisation per se - it was about making some activity for-profit. This was the case with the Ferguson police force, with city seeing tickets and fines as a major source of its profit, n'est-ce pas?

Not it's profits. It's operating income, it does not get sufficient funding to operate without those fines. That is a different issue but is similar in the sense that it creates perverse incentives.

QuoteAnd pharma never was a public service but the conflict of interest still exists (although admittedly there is no simple solution), what with all the corruption scandals about pharma companies bribing doctors to prescribe more drugs, or the fact that there is no cure or vaccine for HIV - as "HIV maintenance" drugs make much more sense from a commercial perspective.

Well let's just say that historically this industry has not been all rainbows and lollipops.

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Martinus

#18
April 02, 2015, 08:59:04 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on April 02, 2015, 08:30:24 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 02, 2015, 01:01:12 AM... or the entire pharma industry ...

What's the problem of having a properly regulated private pharma industry? Don't tell me you too buy into the whole 'they have a cure for cancer buy won't release it' conspiracy?

See my response to Valmy.

Martinus

#19
April 02, 2015, 09:00:06 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 02, 2015, 08:48:42 AM
At the very least we should all be able to agree that those fire departments that get paid by the fire are not a good idea.

Yet we are perfectly fine with paying a doctor per visit/procedure done. ;)

Admiral Yi

#20
April 02, 2015, 09:25:16 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 02, 2015, 09:00:06 AM
Yet we are perfectly fine with paying a doctor per visit/procedure done. ;)

Point: missed.

What is preventing the not for profit world from inventing an HIV cure/vaccine Marty?

Razgovory

#21
April 02, 2015, 09:29:49 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 02, 2015, 09:25:16 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 02, 2015, 09:00:06 AM
Yet we are perfectly fine with paying a doctor per visit/procedure done. ;)

Point: missed.

What is preventing the not for profit world from inventing an HIV cure/vaccine Marty?

I can answer this one!  It doesn't exist!
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Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Martinus

#22
April 02, 2015, 09:30:29 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 02, 2015, 09:25:16 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 02, 2015, 09:00:06 AM
Yet we are perfectly fine with paying a doctor per visit/procedure done. ;)

Point: missed.

What is preventing the not for profit world from inventing an HIV cure/vaccine Marty?

Patents.

Valmy

#24
April 02, 2015, 09:35:43 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 02, 2015, 09:30:29 AM
Patents.

At least they are very temporary.

But I haven't noticed big pharma suing the hell out of our public medical research centers.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Eddie Teach

#25
April 02, 2015, 09:41:02 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 02, 2015, 09:25:16 AM
What is preventing the not for profit world from inventing an HIV cure/vaccine Marty?

Ronald Reagan's ghost.
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#26
April 02, 2015, 09:42:41 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 02, 2015, 08:59:02 AM

Well let's just say that historically this industry has not been all rainbows and lollipops.



Heh, doing some work decades ago on a friend's barn, we found a whole cache of cool patent-medicine bottles buried in the back - that is, furthest from the door. It was obvious that some previous inhabitant was of the habit of going into the very back of the barn and swigging that stuff down - given that most of it was laudinum ...

Anyway, the bottles were very cool, with raised lettering in the glass. I'm sorry I didn't keep one.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

grumbler

#27
April 02, 2015, 09:46:39 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 02, 2015, 09:30:29 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 02, 2015, 09:25:16 AM
What is preventing the not for profit world from inventing an HIV cure/vaccine Marty?

Patents.
:huh:  How to patents keep non-profits from inventing vaccines?

For that matter, why do we have vaccines for smallpox or tetanus when it suits "pharma" better to treat smallpox or tetanus than prevent it?
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Bayraktar!

Valmy

#28
April 02, 2015, 09:56:29 AM
If Big Pharma had been around in the 18th century we would all have treated smallpox today.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

crazy canuck

#29
April 02, 2015, 04:28:19 PM
Quote from: Martinus on April 02, 2015, 09:30:29 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 02, 2015, 09:25:16 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 02, 2015, 09:00:06 AM
Yet we are perfectly fine with paying a doctor per visit/procedure done. ;)

Point: missed.

What is preventing the not for profit world from inventing an HIV cure/vaccine Marty?

Patents.

The correct answer is that there are a number of not for profit organizations working on this including not for profits here in Vancouver.
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