"Hacking Traditional College's White Privilege Work"

Started by Queequeg, March 31, 2015, 08:00:21 AM

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QuoteIt used to be that if you went to a college-level debate tournament, the students you'd see would be bookish future lawyers from elite universities, most of them white. In matching navy blazers, they'd recite academic arguments for and against various government policies. It was tame, predictable, and, frankly, boring.

No more.

These days, an increasingly diverse group of participants has transformed debate competitions, mounting challenges to traditional form and content by incorporating personal experience, performance, and radical politics. These "alternative-style" debaters have achieved success, too, taking top honors at national collegiate tournaments over the past few years.

But this transformation has also sparked a difficult, often painful controversy for a community that prides itself on handling volatile topics. 

On March 24, 2014 at the Cross Examination Debate Association (CEDA) Championships at Indiana University, two Towson University students, Ameena Ruffin and Korey Johnson, became the first African-American women to win a national college debate tournament, for which the resolution asked whether the U.S. president's war powers should be restricted. Rather than address the resolution straight on, Ruffin and Johnson, along with other teams of African-Americans, attacked its premise. The more pressing issue, they argued, is how the U.S. government is at war with poor black communities.

In the final round, Ruffin and Johnson squared off against Rashid Campbell and George Lee from the University of Oklahoma, two highly accomplished African-American debaters with distinctive dreadlocks and dashikis. Over four hours, the two teams engaged in a heated discussion of concepts like "nigga authenticity" and performed hip-hop and spoken-word poetry in the traditional timed format. At one point during Lee's rebuttal, the clock ran out but he refused to yield the floor. "Fuck the time!" he yelled. His partner Campbell, who won the top speaker award at the National Debate Tournament two weeks later, had been unfairly targeted by the police at the debate venue just days before, and cited this experience as evidence for his case against the government's treatment of poor African-Americans.


This year wasn't the first time this had happened. In the 2013 championship, two men from Emporia State University, Ryan Walsh and Elijah Smith, employed a similar style and became the first African-Americans to win two national debate tournaments. Many of their arguments, based on personal memoir and rap music, completely ignored the stated resolution, and instead asserted that the framework of collegiate debate has historically privileged straight, white, middle-class students.

Tournament participants from all backgrounds say they have found some of these debate strategies offensive. Even so, the new style has received mainstream acceptance, sympathy, and awards.

Joe Leeson Schatz, Director of Speech and Debate at Binghamton University, is encouraged by the changes in debate style and community. "Finally, there's a recognition in the academic space that the way argument has taken place in the past privileges certain types of people over others," he said. "Arguments don't necessarily have to be backed up by professors or written papers. They can come from lived experience."

But other teams who have prepared for a traditional policy debate are frustrated when they encounter a meta-debate, or an alternative stylistic approach in competition. These teams say that the pedagogical goals of policy debate are not being met—and are even being undermined. Aaron Hardy, who coaches debate at Northwestern University, is concerned about where the field is headed. "We end up ... with a large percentage of debates being devoted to arguing about the rules, rather than anything substantive," he wrote on a CEDA message board last fall.

Critics of the new approach allege that students don't necessarily have to develop high-level research skills or marshal evidence from published scholarship. They also might not need to have the intellectual acuity required for arguing both sides of a resolution. These skills—together with a non-confrontational presentation style—are considered crucial for success in fields like law and business.

Hardy and others are also disappointed with what they perceive as a lack of civility and decorum at recent competitions, and believe that the alternative-style debaters have contributed to this environment. "Judges have been very angry, coaches have screamed and yelled. People have given profanity-laced tirades, thrown furniture, and both sides of the ideological divide have used racial slurs," he said.

To counter this trend, Hardy and his allies want to create a "policy only" space in which traditional standards for debate will be enforced. However, this is nearly impossible to do within the two major debate associations, CEDA and the National Debate Tournament (NDT), as they are governed by participants and have few conduct enforcement mechanisms. For instance, while CEDA and NDT's institutional anti-harassment policy would normally prohibit the term "nigga" as it was used at the recent Indiana University tournament finals, none of the judges penalized the competitors that used it. In fact, those debaters took home prizes.

14 schools expressed interest in sending debaters to Hardy's proposed alternative tournament, scheduled to occur last month. But after word got out that a group of mostly white teams from elite universities were trying to form their own league, Hardy and his supporters were widely attacked on Facebook and other online forums. Ultimately the competition didn't happen, purportedly because of logistical issues with the hotel venue. Nonetheless, Hardy wrote in an email that a "toxic climate" has precluded even "strong supporters of 'policy debate' from "publicly attach[ing] their name to anything that might get them called racist or worse."

Korey Johnson, the reigning CEDA champion from Towson University, was one of the students who took offense  the alternative tournament. "Segregating debate is a bad move," she said.*  "With the increase in minority participation came a range of different types of argument and perspectives, not just from the people who are in debate, but the kind of scholarship we bring in." Her debate partner Ameena Ruffin agreed: "For them to tell us that we can't bring our personal experience, it would literally be impossible. Not just for black people—it is true of everyone. We are always biased by who we are in any argument."

Liberal law professors have been making this point for decades. "Various procedures—regardless of whether we're talking about debate formats or law—have the ability to hide the subjective experiences that shape these seemingly 'objective' and 'rational' rules," said UC Hastings Law School professor Osagie Obasogie, who teaches critical race theory. "This is the power of racial subordination: making the viewpoint of the dominant group seem like the only true reality."

Hardy disagrees. "Having minimal rules is not something that reflects a middle-class white bias," he said. "I think it is wildly reductionist to say that black people can't understand debate unless there is rap in it—it sells short their potential." He said he is committed to increasing economic and racial diversity in debate and has set up a nonprofit organization to fundraise for minority scholarships.

According to Joe Leeson Schatz, one of the unstated reasons for trying to set up policy-only debates is that once-dominant debate teams from colleges like Harvard and Northwestern are no longer winning the national competitions. "It is now much easier for smaller programs to be successful," he said. "You don't have to be from a high budget program; all you need to win is just a couple of smart students." Schatz believes that the changes in college debate are widening the playing field and attracting more students from all backgrounds.

Paul Mabrey, a communications lecturer at James Madison University and CEDA vice president, is organizing a conference for this coming June that will address the college debate diversity problem. "The debate community is broken," he declared, "but there is nothing wrong with that. We talk about a post-racial America, but we shouldn't elide our real differences, we should talk about how to work across and work with these differences."

One thing is clear: In a community accustomed to hashing out every possible argument, this particular debate will continue. The uncontested benefit of the debate format is that everyone receives equal time to speak, something that drew many minority students to debate in the first place, said Korey Johnson. "No matter how people feel about my argument, they have to listen to me for all of my speeches, everything I have to say, they can't make me stop speaking," she said.

http://m.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/04/traditional-college-debate-white-privilege/360746/?utm_source=SFFB

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"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Valmy

Wait not answering the question and instead repeating talking points they want to say instead? Sounds like these people are destined for political office.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Malthus

Stuff like this makes me weep. Sometimes it seems the humanities are truly consuming themselves with idiocy, leading to their total irrelevance and divorce from reality. 
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Valmy

Though I do wonder if this will lead to more white debaters rapping so then people can be enraged about cultural appropriation.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Admiral Yi

It would appear that talking smack is now an organized sport.

Valmy

Quote from: Malthus on March 31, 2015, 08:17:09 AM
Stuff like this makes me weep. Sometimes it seems the humanities are truly consuming themselves with idiocy, leading to their total irrelevance and divorce from reality. 

I personally hold that most of my thoughts are stupid and most of my feelings are irrational. Now I now that I am only speaking for myself but glancing around everybody else does not seem that much different. The humanities is supposed to be about separating the wheat from the chaff but instead it does seem like they want to enable everybody to go with it. This may not necessarily be a bad thing, they are trying to get more voices and points of view in there and, perhaps, it will eventually get back to trying to discuss things rationally.

Maybe. Or maybe the crazy train will just go to more fantastic and entertaining venues.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Malthus

Quote from: Valmy on March 31, 2015, 08:22:36 AM
Quote from: Malthus on March 31, 2015, 08:17:09 AM
Stuff like this makes me weep. Sometimes it seems the humanities are truly consuming themselves with idiocy, leading to their total irrelevance and divorce from reality. 

I personally hold that most of my thoughts are stupid and most of my feelings are irrational. Now I now that I am only speaking for myself but glancing around everybody else does not seem that much different. The humanities is supposed to be about separating the wheat from the chaff but instead it does seem like they want to enable everybody to go with it. This may not necessarily be a bad thing, they are trying to get more voices and points of view in there and, perhaps, it will eventually get back to trying to discuss things rationally.

Maybe. Or maybe the crazy train will just go to more fantastic and entertaining venues.

I am sometimes tempted to reply to these types "yeah, you convinced me, logical thinking and rationality are exclusively White Male subjects. That means, if you want to get anything done in this world requiring logic and rationality, you had better go to a certified genuine White Male; if you just want a personal rant, go somewhere else".

I doubt that would go over too well, though.  ;)
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

grumbler

This issue was a lot more interesting the first few times we brought this up.  Any reason to be quoting a year-old article as though it was news?
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Valmy

Quote from: grumbler on March 31, 2015, 08:40:02 AM
This issue was a lot more interesting the first few times we brought this up.  Any reason to be quoting a year-old article as though it was news?

Was it? I know we discussed this for the 2013 incident mentioned in the shockingly old year-old article but I do not recall it being more interesting. Just the same level of interesting.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Malthus

Quote from: grumbler on March 31, 2015, 08:40:02 AM
This issue was a lot more interesting the first few times we brought this up.  Any reason to be quoting a year-old article as though it was news?

Hell, at this point I would have thought a year was but a blink of the eye.  :P
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

grumbler

Quote from: Malthus on March 31, 2015, 08:50:24 AM
Hell, at this point I would have thought a year was but a blink of the eye.  :P

Okay, Mister Buddha.  :P
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

crazy canuck

Quote from: Malthus on March 31, 2015, 08:17:09 AM
Stuff like this makes me weep. Sometimes it seems the humanities are truly consuming themselves with idiocy, leading to their total irrelevance and divorce from reality.

Berkut

I admit I was surprised he was named. His appearances on the Daily Show were mostly not that great. I didn't even think he was someone they would reasonably consider.

So far, from what I've seen, he just isn't very funny. He is an accomplished comedian though, so perhaps he is very funny doing stand up? Has to be something there...
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derspiess

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