Will science prove the existence of parallel universes!?

[Valmy]

Plus, as Hume pointed out, a carrot is even more amazing than a watch, and yet you don't presume, when finding a carrot in a field, that someone must have created that carrot.  Hell, you can grow a carrot yourself.

Hume cut through nonsense like nobody else. Got to love him.

[lustindarkness]

I guess CERN has not destroyed the world by creating a rift in the fabric of time and space yet?

[Malthus]

I guess CERN has not destroyed the world by creating a rift in the fabric of time and space yet?

How would we know? Maybe it has destroyed one universe, and replaced it with another. 

[lustindarkness]

 

[PJL]

I guess CERN has not destroyed the world by creating a rift in the fabric of time and space yet?

How would we know? Maybe it has destroyed one universe, and replaced it with another. 

That might be useful if ever the Vogons turn up. 

[crazy canuck]

And that is why I pointed out earlier that the work at CERN may put an end to the argument that the "design" of the universe can be inferred to be created by some intelligence.  If the CERN observations demonstrate the existence of other parallel universes with random properties then the fact this one universe has the properties required for life is nothing more than chance.

I don't think you understand the concept of "other universes" as used in this theory.  The "other universes" would simply be in other dimensions than our own (and, if the theory is correct, wouldn't even be other "universes" because they could interact with this "universe" and thus simply be another part of the newly-expanded universe).  They aren't "parallel" universes with different physical laws; such universes may exist but couldn't be detected (no information interaction between universes, by definition) and so will remain theoretical.

I am not sure what you base your assertion that the theory doesn't predict other universes which are parallel, separate and very different than ours.  you are a little behind the times. Today you get to learn something.

New Physics Complications Lend Support to Multiverse Hypothesis

Decades of confounding experiments have physicists considering a startling possibility: the universe might not make sense
June 1, 2013 |By Natalie Wolchover and Quanta Magazine 

On an overcast afternoon in late April, physics professors and students crowded into a wood-paneled lecture hall at Columbia University for a talk by Nima Arkani-Hamed, a high-profile theorist visiting from the Institute for Advanced Study in nearby Princeton, N.J. With his dark, shoulder-length hair shoved behind his ears, Arkani-Hamed laid out the dual, seemingly contradictory implications of recent experimental results at the Large Hadron Collider in Europe.

"The universe is inevitable," he declared. "The universe is impossible."

The spectacular discovery of the Higgs boson in July 2012 confirmed a nearly 50-year-old theory of how elementary particles acquire mass, which enables them to form big structures such as galaxies and humans. "The fact that it was seen more or less where we expected to find it is a triumph for experiment, it's a triumph for theory, and it's an indication that physics works," Arkani-Hamed told the crowd.

However, in order for the Higgs boson to make sense with the mass (or equivalent energy) it was determined to have, the LHC needed to find a swarm of other particles, too. None turned up.

With the discovery of only one particle, the LHC experiments deepened a profound problem in physics that had been brewing for decades. Modern equations seem to capture reality with breathtaking accuracy, correctly predicting the values of many constants of nature and the existence of particles like the Higgs. Yet a few constants — including the mass of the Higgs boson — are exponentially different from what these trusted laws indicate they should be, in ways that would rule out any chance of life, unless the universe is shaped by inexplicable fine-tunings and cancellations.

In peril is the notion of "naturalness," Albert Einstein's dream that the laws of nature are sublimely beautiful, inevitable and self-contained. Without it, physicists face the harsh prospect that those laws are just an arbitrary, messy outcome of random fluctuations in the fabric of space and time.

The LHC will resume smashing protons in 2015 in a last-ditch search for answers. But in papers, talks and interviews, Arkani-Hamed and many other top physicists are already confronting the possibility that the universe might be unnatural. (There is wide disagreement, however, about what it would take to prove it.)

"Ten or 20 years ago, I was a firm believer in naturalness," said Nathan Seiberg, a theoretical physicist at the Institute, where Einstein taught from 1933 until his death in 1955. "Now I'm not so sure. My hope is there's still something we haven't thought about, some other mechanism that would explain all these things. But I don't see what it could be."

Physicists reason that if the universe is unnatural, with extremely unlikely fundamental constants that make life possible, then an enormous number of universes must exist for our improbable case to have been realized. Otherwise, why should we be so lucky? Unnaturalness would give a huge lift to the multiverse hypothesis, which holds that our universe is one bubble in an infinite and inaccessible foam. According to a popular but polarizing framework called string theory, the number of possible types of universes that can bubble up in a multiverse is around 10^500. In a few of them, chance cancellations would produce the strange constants we observe.

In such a picture, not everything about this universe is inevitable, rendering it unpredictable. Edward Witten, a string theorist at the Institute, said by email, "I would be happy personally if the multiverse interpretation is not correct, in part because it potentially limits our ability to understand the laws of physics. But none of us were consulted when the universe was created."

"Some people hate it," said Raphael Bousso, a physicist at the University of California at Berkeley who helped develop the multiverse scenario. "But I just don't think we can analyze it on an emotional basis. It's a logical possibility that is increasingly favored in the absence of naturalness at the LHC."

What the LHC does or doesn't discover in its next run is likely to lend support to one of two possibilities: Either we live in an overcomplicated but stand-alone universe, or we inhabit an atypical bubble in a multiverse. "We will be a lot smarter five or 10 years from today because of the LHC," Seiberg said. "So that's exciting. This is within reach."

Cosmic Coincidence
Einstein once wrote that for a scientist, "religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law" and that "this feeling is the guiding principle of his life and work." Indeed, throughout the 20th century, the deep-seated belief that the laws of nature are harmonious — a belief in "naturalness" — has proven a reliable guide for discovering truth.

"Naturalness has a track record," Arkani-Hamed said in an interview. In practice, it is the requirement that the physical constants (particle masses and other fixed properties of the universe) emerge directly from the laws of physics, rather than resulting from improbable cancellations. Time and again, whenever a constant appeared fine-tuned, as if its initial value had been magically dialed to offset other effects, physicists suspected they were missing something. They would seek and inevitably find some particle or feature that materially dialed the constant, obviating a fine-tuned cancellation.

This time, the self-healing powers of the universe seem to be failing. The Higgs boson has a mass of 126 giga-electron-volts, but interactions with the other known particles should add about 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 giga-electron-volts to its mass. This implies that the Higgs' "bare mass," or starting value before other particles affect it, just so happens to be the negative of that astronomical number, resulting in a near-perfect cancellation that leaves just a hint of Higgs behind: 126 giga-electron-volts.

Physicists have gone through three generations of particle accelerators searching for new particles, posited by a theory called supersymmetry, that would drive the Higgs mass down exactly as much as the known particles drive it up. But so far they've come up empty-handed.

The upgraded LHC will explore ever-higher energy scales in its next run, but even if new particles are found, they will almost definitely be too heavy to influence the Higgs mass in quite the right way. The Higgs will still seem at least 10 or 100 times too light. Physicists disagree about whether this is acceptable in a natural, stand-alone universe. "Fine-tuned a little — maybe it just happens," said Lisa Randall, a professor at Harvard University. But in Arkani-Hamed's opinion, being "a little bit tuned is like being a little bit pregnant. It just doesn't exist."

If no new particles appear and the Higgs remains astronomically fine-tuned, then the multiverse hypothesis will stride into the limelight. "It doesn't mean it's right," said Bousso, a longtime supporter of the multiverse picture, "but it does mean it's the only game in town."

A few physicists — notably Joe Lykken of Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Batavia, Ill., and Alessandro Strumia of the University of Pisa in Italy — see a third option. They say that physicists might be misgauging the effects of other particles on the Higgs mass and that when calculated differently, its mass appears natural. This "modified naturalness" falters when additional particles, such as the unknown constituents of dark matter, are included in calculations — but the same unorthodox path could yield other ideas. "I don't want to advocate, but just to discuss the consequences," Strumia said during a talk earlier this month at Brookhaven National Laboratory.

However, modified naturalness cannot fix an even bigger naturalness problem that exists in physics: The fact that the cosmos wasn't instantly annihilated by its own energy the moment after the Big Bang.

Dark Dilemma
The energy built into the vacuum of space (known as vacuum energy, dark energy or the cosmological constant) is a baffling trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion times smaller than what is calculated to be its natural, albeit self-destructive, value. No theory exists about what could naturally fix this gargantuan disparity. But it's clear that the cosmological constant has to be enormously fine-tuned to prevent the universe from rapidly exploding or collapsing to a point. It has to be fine-tuned in order for life to have a chance.

To explain this absurd bit of luck, the multiverse idea has been growing mainstream in cosmology circles over the past few decades. It got a credibility boost in 1987 when the Nobel Prize-winning physicist Steven Weinberg, now a professor at the University of Texas at Austin, calculated that the cosmological constant of our universe is expected in the multiverse scenario. Of the possible universes capable of supporting life — the only ones that can be observed and contemplated in the first place — ours is among the least fine-tuned. "If the cosmological constant were much larger than the observed value, say by a factor of 10, then we would have no galaxies," explained Alexander Vilenkin, a cosmologist and multiverse theorist at Tufts University. "It's hard to imagine how life might exist in such a universe."

Most particle physicists hoped that a more testable explanation for the cosmological constant problem would be found. None has. Now, physicists say, the unnaturalness of the Higgs makes the unnaturalness of the cosmological constant more significant. Arkani-Hamed thinks the issues may even be related. "We don't have an understanding of a basic extraordinary fact about our universe," he said. "It is big and has big things in it."

The multiverse turned into slightly more than just a hand-waving argument in 2000, when Bousso and Joe Polchinski, a professor of theoretical physics at the University of California at Santa Barbara, found a mechanism that could give rise to a panorama of parallel universes. String theory, a hypothetical "theory of everything" that regards particles as invisibly small vibrating lines, posits that space-time is 10-dimensional. At the human scale, we experience just three dimensions of space and one of time, but string theorists argue that six extra dimensions are tightly knotted at every point in the fabric of our 4-D reality. Bousso and Polchinski calculated that there are around 10500 different ways for those six dimensions to be knotted (all tying up varying amounts of energy), making an inconceivably vast and diverse array of universes possible. In other words, naturalness is not required. There isn't a single, inevitable, perfect universe.

"It was definitely an aha-moment for me," Bousso said. But the paper sparked outrage.

"Particle physicists, especially string theorists, had this dream of predicting uniquely all the constants of nature," Bousso explained. "Everything would just come out of math and pi and twos. And we came in and said, 'Look, it's not going to happen, and there's a reason it's not going to happen. We're thinking about this in totally the wrong way.' "

Life in a Multiverse
The Big Bang, in the Bousso-Polchinski multiverse scenario, is a fluctuation. A compact, six-dimensional knot that makes up one stitch in the fabric of reality suddenly shape-shifts, releasing energy that forms a bubble of space and time. The properties of this new universe are determined by chance: the amount of energy unleashed during the fluctuation. The vast majority of universes that burst into being in this way are thick with vacuum energy; they either expand or collapse so quickly that life cannot arise in them. But some atypical universes, in which an improbable cancellation yields a tiny value for the cosmological constant, are much like ours.

In a paper posted last month to the physics preprint website arXiv.org, Bousso and a Berkeley colleague, Lawrence Hall, argue that the Higgs mass makes sense in the multiverse scenario, too. They found that bubble universes that contain enough visible matter (compared to dark matter) to support life most often have supersymmetric particles beyond the energy range of the LHC, and a fine-tuned Higgs boson. Similarly, other physicists showed in 1997 that if the Higgs boson were five times heavier than it is, this would suppress the formation of atoms other than hydrogen, resulting, by yet another means, in a lifeless universe.

Despite these seemingly successful explanations, many physicists worry that there is little to be gained by adopting the multiverse worldview. Parallel universes cannot be tested for; worse, an unnatural universe resists understanding. "Without naturalness, we will lose the motivation to look for new physics," said Kfir Blum, a physicist at the Institute for Advanced Study. "We know it's there, but there is no robust argument for why we should find it." That sentiment is echoed again and again: "I would prefer the universe to be natural," Randall said.

But theories can grow on physicists. After spending more than a decade acclimating himself to the multiverse, Arkani-Hamed now finds it plausible — and a viable route to understanding the ways of our world. "The wonderful point, as far as I'm concerned, is basically any result at the LHC will steer us with different degrees of force down one of these divergent paths," he said. "This kind of choice is a very, very big deal."

Naturalness could pull through. Or it could be a false hope in a strange but comfortable pocket of the multiverse.

As Arkani-Hamed told the audience at Columbia, "stay tuned."

Reprinted with permission from Simons Science News, an editorially-independent division of SimonsFoundation.org whose mission is to enhance public understanding of science by covering research developments and trends in mathematics and the computational, physical and life sciences.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-physics-complications-lend-support-to-multiverse-hypothesis/

[Razgovory]

Plus, as Hume pointed out, a carrot is even more amazing than a watch, and yet you don't presume, when finding a carrot in a field, that someone must have created that carrot.  Hell, you can grow a carrot yourself.

Hume cut through nonsense like nobody else. Got to love him.

I am apt to suspect the negroes and in general all the other species of men (for there are four or five different kinds) to be naturally inferior to the whites. There never was a civilized nation of any other complexion than white, nor even any individual eminent either in action or speculation. No ingenious manufactures amongst them, no arts, no sciences. On the other hand, the most rude and barbarous of the whites, such as the ancient Germans, the present Tartars, have still something eminent about them, in their valour, form of government, or some other particular. Such a uniform and constant difference could not happen, in so many countries and ages, if nature had not made an original distinction betwixt these breeds of men. Not to mention our colonies, there are Negroe slaves dispersed all over Europe, of which none ever discovered any symptoms of ingenuity; tho' low people, without education, will start up amongst us, and distinguish themselves in every profession. In Jamaica indeed they talk of one negroe as a man of parts and learning; but 'tis likely he is admired for very slender accomplishments, like a parrot, who speaks a few words plainly.

[grumbler]

I am not sure what you base your assertion that the theory doesn't predict other universes which are parallel, separate and very different than ours.  you are a little behind the times. Today you get to learn something. (snip) 

I learned that you don't understand the term "theory!" 

The article says that "Physicists reason that if the universe is unnatural, with extremely unlikely fundamental constants that make life possible, then an enormous number of universes must exist for our improbable case to have been realized. Otherwise, why should we be so lucky?"

That's not a theory.  That's not even a hypothesis.  That's just a guess.  Even your own article notes that "parallel universes cannot be tested for."  You cannot have a theory if you don't have a testable 9and thus disprovable) hypothesis.

See, today it was you who learned something.  If you are capable of learning, anyway.

[crazy canuck]

I am not sure what you base your assertion that the theory doesn't predict other universes which are parallel, separate and very different than ours.  you are a little behind the times. Today you get to learn something. (snip) 

I learned that you don't understand the term "theory!" 

Perhaps the worst backpeddle quibble in the history of the universe - or any universe.

[Valmy]

I am apt to suspect the negroes and in general all the other species of men (for there are four or five different kinds) to be naturally inferior to the whites. There never was a civilized nation of any other complexion than white, nor even any individual eminent either in action or speculation. No ingenious manufactures amongst them, no arts, no sciences. On the other hand, the most rude and barbarous of the whites, such as the ancient Germans, the present Tartars, have still something eminent about them, in their valour, form of government, or some other particular. Such a uniform and constant difference could not happen, in so many countries and ages, if nature had not made an original distinction betwixt these breeds of men. Not to mention our colonies, there are Negroe slaves dispersed all over Europe, of which none ever discovered any symptoms of ingenuity; tho' low people, without education, will start up amongst us, and distinguish themselves in every profession. In Jamaica indeed they talk of one negroe as a man of parts and learning; but 'tis likely he is admired for very slender accomplishments, like a parrot, who speaks a few words plainly.

Well nobody is perfect

[The Brain]

I am apt to suspect the negroes and in general all the other species of men (for there are four or five different kinds) to be naturally inferior to the whites. There never was a civilized nation of any other complexion than white, nor even any individual eminent either in action or speculation. No ingenious manufactures amongst them, no arts, no sciences. On the other hand, the most rude and barbarous of the whites, such as the ancient Germans, the present Tartars, have still something eminent about them, in their valour, form of government, or some other particular. Such a uniform and constant difference could not happen, in so many countries and ages, if nature had not made an original distinction betwixt these breeds of men. Not to mention our colonies, there are Negroe slaves dispersed all over Europe, of which none ever discovered any symptoms of ingenuity; tho' low people, without education, will start up amongst us, and distinguish themselves in every profession. In Jamaica indeed they talk of one negroe as a man of parts and learning; but 'tis likely he is admired for very slender accomplishments, like a parrot, who speaks a few words plainly.

Well nobody is perfect

Dolph.

[frunk]

Yeah, I'm not buying the "unnatural" argument here.  There seems to be a presumption that our current understanding of the universe is close to complete, and that the mysteries that are unexplained can be described by assuming multiple universes.  It reminds me too much of Lord Kelvin's support for a youngish (20-40 million years) earth driven by the mistaken understanding of the source of the Sun's energy as well as the earth's internal temperature.  It wasn't until radioactive decay and fusion were discovered that his (perfectly correct based on what he knew) reasoning was shown conclusively false.  Sometimes the smartest man in the room comes to the wrong conclusion.

[grumbler]

I am not sure what you base your assertion that the theory doesn't predict other universes which are parallel, separate and very different than ours.  you are a little behind the times. Today you get to learn something. (snip) 

I learned that you don't understand the term "theory!" 

Perhaps the worst backpeddle quibble in the history of the universe - or any universe.

Indeed.  Your backpeddle makes us all dizzy.  My original statement was perfectly correct, and yours was wrong.  You can weasel all you want, but those remain the facts.

You might also want to re-read the original article posted here.  It also explains what the term "parallel universes" means in terms of the LHC:

"Normally, when people think of the multiverse, they think of the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, where every possibility is actualised.

"This cannot be tested and so it is philosophy and not science.

"This is not what we mean by parallel universes. What we mean is real universes in extra dimensions.

"As gravity can flow out of our universe into the extra dimensions, such a model can be tested by the detection of mini black holes at the LHC."

This is consistent with what I wrote and inconsistent with what you wrote.

[grumbler]

Yeah, I'm not buying the "unnatural" argument here.  There seems to be a presumption that our current understanding of the universe is close to complete, and that the mysteries that are unexplained can be described by assuming multiple universes.  It reminds me too much of Lord Kelvin's support for a youngish (20-40 million years) earth driven by the mistaken understanding of the source of the Sun's energy as well as the earth's internal temperature.  It wasn't until radioactive decay and fusion were discovered that his (perfectly correct based on what he knew) reasoning was shown conclusively false.  Sometimes the smartest man in the room comes to the wrong conclusion.

Agreed, though I think that the "unnatural" argument suffers from a far larger problem, in that it is built around the logical fallacy that, while someone has to win the lottery, the odds of a person winning it are so low as to make it impossible for a person to win.

Had the universe not been structured for life, there would be no one asking the questions about how the universe is structured.  The probability that the universe "should" exist in its current form is impossible to accurately compute; the probability that it did is 1.0.

[Razgovory]

I am apt to suspect the negroes and in general all the other species of men (for there are four or five different kinds) to be naturally inferior to the whites. There never was a civilized nation of any other complexion than white, nor even any individual eminent either in action or speculation. No ingenious manufactures amongst them, no arts, no sciences. On the other hand, the most rude and barbarous of the whites, such as the ancient Germans, the present Tartars, have still something eminent about them, in their valour, form of government, or some other particular. Such a uniform and constant difference could not happen, in so many countries and ages, if nature had not made an original distinction betwixt these breeds of men. Not to mention our colonies, there are Negroe slaves dispersed all over Europe, of which none ever discovered any symptoms of ingenuity; tho' low people, without education, will start up amongst us, and distinguish themselves in every profession. In Jamaica indeed they talk of one negroe as a man of parts and learning; but 'tis likely he is admired for very slender accomplishments, like a parrot, who speaks a few words plainly.

Well nobody is perfect

That is a mighty large imperfection for a moral philosopher or one describing science.  If man can't distinguish that other men are in fact men, it brings doubt on his ability to quantify vegetables or spring powered machines.