How far right are you?

[Barrister]

But the question wasn't about how far right extremist you are.

And I sincerely doubt that Beeb or any other poster who responded 10 see themselves as Hitler.

I always took Burke as the ur-Conservative.

Let's remember Hitler styled himself as a National Socialist.  While I concede that doesn't make him a leftist, it doesn't mean he was an arch-Conservative either.

No, he wasn't a conservative but he was definitely a rightest.  His allies were rightist, he drew followers from the right, and well wishers in France, Britain and the US were right wingers.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

I conceded Hitler wasn't a leftist.

[viper37]

It is purely down to your own judgement of course, thus we may well get Siege (by my scale a 12) seeing himself as a centrist, but in our own self-identification, from 1 on the far left to 10 on the far right, it would be interesting to see how we place ourselves.

6-7 is about it.  I'm certainly not a libertarian, definately not a treehugger, much more of a pragmatist if anything.  I want things that work, I want equal treatment for all.  If you refuse to do your part, you get nothing.  If you can't do your part, we should find ways to help you do your part, or worst case scenario, keep you living comfortably.

[Admiral Yi]

US early late 18th century to mid 19th century.  Britain in the same time period.  Czarist Russia.  Qing China.

EDIT: And all the people who promoted the liberal economics of the 18th and 19th century were still "statists".  They believed that people should live in states.

Can US politics of that time period be described in left/right terms?  Honest question.

Does left/right politics have any meaning in an absolute monarchy like Russia?  Less honest question.

A statist is not a person that believes people should live in states.

[Valmy]

Can US politics of that time period be described in left/right terms?  Honest question.

Of course.  If it cannot then French Revolutionary politics could not either and they invented the whole concept.

Does left/right politics have any meaning in an absolute monarchy like Russia?  Less honest question.

So the Socialist Revolutionaries, Mensheviks, and Bolsheviks were all not leftists just because they existed in an absolute monarchy?

A statist is not a person that believes people should live in states.

I think he is thinking it is the opposite of anarchist Libertarianism or something.

[Admiral Yi]

Of course.  If it cannot then French Revolutionary politics could not either and they invented the whole concept.

Why is that?

So the Socialist Revolutionaries, Mensheviks, and Bolsheviks were all not leftists just because they existed in an absolute monarchy?

We were talking about Czarist economic policies.  I'm unaware of those groups having much of a role in formulating those policies.

[Valmy]

Why is that?

Because this is the era all of our political ideologies come from. Right wing and left wing ideas come about from the American Revolution almost immediately. People advocating equality for all, including women, were there annoying conservative people almost immediately. 

We were talking about Czarist economic policies.

I thought we were talking about left vs right wing politics.

[Syt]

Ed is so far right, he's popping into the left.

[MadBurgerMaker]

I dunno.  7 maybe?

[Syt]

I consider myself to be left of center. 3.75 or 3.5, maybe?

[Admiral Yi]

I thought we were talking about left vs right wing politics.

We were talking about rightists pursuing government involvement in the economy.  At least I was.

[Valmy]

We were talking about rightists pursuing government involvement in the economy.  At least I was.

I have no clue what you are talking about. Bolsheviks are not leftists because they had no role in setting Czarist economic policies? What does that have to do with whether or not Bolsheviks are leftwing?

[Admiral Yi]

I have no clue what you are talking about. Bolsheviks are not leftists because they had no role in setting Czarist economic policies? What does that have to do with whether or not Bolsheviks are leftwing?

It has nothing at all to do with whether or not Bolsheviks are leftwing.  You were the one that brought that into the conversation based on a misunderstanding.

[The Brain]

I don't understand the poll. Didn't vote.

[grumbler]

I'd be hard pushed to see common values between a neo-nazi and a libertarian, though. Except that both are bunk.

Given that "libertarian" actually means the exact same thing is "classical liberal," I don't think they'd have any shared values with a neo-Nazi.

[Razgovory]

US early late 18th century to mid 19th century.  Britain in the same time period.  Czarist Russia.  Qing China.

EDIT: And all the people who promoted the liberal economics of the 18th and 19th century were still "statists".  They believed that people should live in states.

Can US politics of that time period be described in left/right terms?  Honest question.

Does left/right politics have any meaning in an absolute monarchy like Russia?  Less honest question.

A statist is not a person that believes people should live in states.

First question: Yes.  In a sense they were all leftist as they were Whigs and anti-monarchists (the original left) Federalists were more right and the Jeffersonians were more left.  The Jacksonian Democrats became the new right and Whigs and later Republicans were then new left.

2nd Question: yes.  The Czarist regime was explicitly conservative.  Most absolute monarchies were.  They had a strong hand in the economy and were often mercantilist.

A statist is a usually a pejorative term used by lunatics against non lunatics.  Since I am a lunatic it doesn't work exactly.