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Started by jimmy olsen, June 17, 2009, 09:53:31 PM

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jimmy olsen

 Wow, that's even wackier than usual. :lol:
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo20090617gd.html
QuoteWednesday, June 17, 2009

Rewriting history in Russia

By GWYNNE DYER

In the Soviet Union, the future was always certain; only the past could change without notice. The signal that it had changed was often the publication of a pseudo-scholarly article that denounced the "falsifications" of the existing version of history.

Here we go again. Recently Col. Sergei Kovalev, director of the scientific research department at the Institute of Military History, published an article on the Web site of the Russian Ministry of Defense titled "Fictions and Falsifications in Evaluating the USSR's Role On the Eve of the Second World War." He says it was the Poles who started the war in 1939, not the Nazis.

The British and the French were to blame too, because earlier in 1939 they guaranteed Poland's independence if it stood up to Hitler's demands. That gave the Poles "delusions of grandeur," unfortunately, and misled them into rebuffing Germany's "very modest" requests.

Germany only made two demands to Warsaw in 1939. One was the return of Danzig, a city that had been separated from Germany by the Treaty of Versailles that ended World War I. The other was a German road and rail corridor across the strip of territory (the "Polish Corridor") that gave the Poles access to the Baltic Sea, but separated eastern Germany from the rest of the country.

Kovalev is right about one thing: Hitler's demands were reasonable enough. By 1939 almost everybody agreed that the Versailles treaty had been wrong to blame World War I on Germany, and that the 5 million Germans whose lands had been handed out to neighboring countries under that treaty had been treated unfairly. But most historians also think that Hitler's demands were just an opening bid.

The conventional wisdom is that Hitler was set on on world conquest from the start, and that if Poland had accepted his terms in 1939 it would just have faced further demands later. But the conventional historians may be wrong, for Hitler also offered Poland a secret alliance against the Soviet Union when he made his demands.

Poland's military rulers rejected the whole package, trusting in the Anglo-French guarantee to protect them. From the day that the guarantee was issued in March 1939, they refused even to discuss it with the Germans. That may have been a mistake, for when war came in September, Britain and France were unable to help them militarily, and Poland was overrun in a month.

But this hardly explains why Kovalev blames Poland for causing the war, and why the Russian Ministry of Defense put his article on its Web site. The reason for that, most likely, lies with their need to rewrite the history of the Nazi-Soviet Pact.

That was the secret agreement of August 1939 in which Germany and the Soviet Union carved up eastern Europe between them. The Russians got eastern Poland, all of Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, and parts of Romania. The Finns fought and managed to save most of their country, but the rest succumbed.

This deal has always been hard for the Russians to defend, especially since the Nazis attacked them two years later anyway. They usually say they were just trying to win time, but Stalin clearly fooled himself into believing that he had a real deal with the Nazis. He was recovering almost all the lands that had won their freedom from the Russian empire after World War I.

The Soviet secret police killed or deported hundreds of thousands of "politically unreliable" people in the newly conquered territories. (Twenty thousand Polish officers who had surrendered to the Russians were murdered in Katyn forest to decapitate any resistance movement.) So it's not surprising that some people in the Baltic states welcomed German troops as liberators in 1941, and that very few people in Eastern Europe saw Red Army troops as liberators when they came back in 1944.

This has always infuriated the Russians, who see the Red Army as heroes and liberators. Col. Kovalev's article blaming the Poles for the war was bound to appeal to Russian patriots just as much as it would appall Poles, Estonians and all the other Eastern Europeans who had to live for decades under the Soviet yoke.

The Polish ambassador in Moscow protested and Kovalev's article has now been removed from the Ministry of Defense's Web site, but the broader trend in Russia is clearly to rewrite history in ways that rehabilitate the Soviet past. Indeed, last month Russian President Dmitry Medvedev ordered the creation of the Commission to Counteract the Falsification of History to the Detriment of Russian Interests.

That sounds slightly less weird in Russian, but not much. And there's now legislation before the Duma (parliament) that would outlaw any portrayal of the Red Army as invaders even on the territory of former Soviet republics. Of course, Moscow could not enforce that legislation without invading (sorry, liberating) them again, so it has little practical effect, but it is indicative of the mood in the country.

Russia isn't planning to invade anybody, but it is feeling spectacularly touchy and grumpy at the moment. So far Medvedev (and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin) are managing to ride the tiger, but if they fall off they could be eaten up in a flash.
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Yet again I feel so much better about having a border with Russia. The Poles obviously got what they deserved, just like Georgia.. trying to maintain Sovereignty over it's own territory... the IMPUDENCE!!!
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Razgovory

Quote from: Viking on June 17, 2009, 10:17:42 PM
Yet again I feel so much better about having a border with Russia. The Poles obviously got what they deserved, just like Georgia.. trying to maintain Sovereignty over it's own territory... the IMPUDENCE!!!

Poles did get what they deserved.  During the Sudenten Crisis Poland was sure to get her pound of flesh from the Czechs.
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saskganesh

QuotePresident Dmitry Medvedev ordered the creation of the Commission to Counteract the Falsification of History to the Detriment of Russian Interests.

That sounds slightly less weird in Russian, but not much.

I love this part.
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Ed Anger

Quote from: Razgovory on June 18, 2009, 06:33:35 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 17, 2009, 10:17:42 PM
Yet again I feel so much better about having a border with Russia. The Poles obviously got what they deserved, just like Georgia.. trying to maintain Sovereignty over it's own territory... the IMPUDENCE!!!

Poles did get what they deserved.  During the Sudenten Crisis Poland was sure to get her pound of flesh from the Czechs.

Always hilarious to see the little bit Poland snapped up. Boy that sure helped them.
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Totally coincidentally, I was playing HOI2 yesterday and Poland did DOW Germany.

So...if it can happen in HOI2, it must be true.
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Valmy

I can certainly see how Russians wouldn't view threatening a country with destruction unless they hand you territory as an aggressive act.

They view the partitions of Poland as a defensive measure after all.
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Quote from: Ed Anger on June 18, 2009, 06:48:23 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 18, 2009, 06:33:35 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 17, 2009, 10:17:42 PM
Yet again I feel so much better about having a border with Russia. The Poles obviously got what they deserved, just like Georgia.. trying to maintain Sovereignty over it's own territory... the IMPUDENCE!!!

Poles did get what they deserved.  During the Sudenten Crisis Poland was sure to get her pound of flesh from the Czechs.

Always hilarious to see the little bit Poland snapped up. Boy that sure helped them.
LOL yeah. Whenever I think about it, I'm like WTF.

Palisadoes

The Polish government was dominated by the military. For this reason they overestimated themselves and thought they were "one of the big boys" and could stand up against Germany and win. They did allow for war in some respects, but it is hardly their fault for wanting to hold on to their lands.

Damn Russians!

Valmy

Quote from: Palisadoes on June 18, 2009, 08:14:40 AM
The Polish government was dominated by the military. For this reason they overestimated themselves and thought they were "one of the big boys" and could stand up against Germany and win. They did allow for war in some respects, but it is hardly their fault for wanting to hold on to their lands.

Damn Russians!

After what happened at the end of the 18th century (and what had just happened in Prague the previous March) I cannot blame Poland for thinking giving up territory to Germany wouldn't save them.

Ok ok we were lying about not wanting to conquer Czechoslovakia...this time we are telling the truth though.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Valmy

Quote from: Martinus on June 18, 2009, 07:39:58 AM
LOL yeah. Whenever I think about it, I'm like WTF.

Even the hypernationalist Poles who blame Britain/France/United States for selling them out just sorta stammer and say something about how nationalism is not rational when called on that.

Poland should have been backing Czechoslovakia in 1938 but instead they and Romania worked together to help destroy her.  It just shows how much the Poles hate the Russians and their then little buddies.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Martinus

There was also a territorial dispute with Czechoslovakia, ranging back to 1918, concerning the ownership of the land Poland captured.