Harrison Ford Critically Injured in Plane Crash

[Valmy]

My point is that alcohol addiction can also be unhealthy to others (mentally), vile (vomit everywhere in the weekend) and immensely inconsiderate (public disorder, smell), yet there doesn't seem to be the same outrage about drinking.

We already had a massive decade long crusade demonizing all drinkers that resulted in a nationwide ban.  Do you think we should do this again?  The only reason we do not still have the huge social condemnation of drinking is because of how that went last time.

And Marty shouldn't worry.  The fat police, out trying to pass legislation to regulate food that can be sold, is still a thing.

The anti-smoking thing does get a little extreme but I am not sure the proper response is to demand we do that same thing with every other social vice just to be consistent.  Because we are Americans, we have lots of people who want to do just that.

[Liep]

My point is that alcohol addiction can also be unhealthy to others (mentally), vile (vomit everywhere in the weekend) and immensely inconsiderate (public disorder, smell), yet there doesn't seem to be the same outrage about drinking.

We already had a massive decade long crusade demonizing all drinkers that resulted in a nationwide ban.  Do you think we should do this again?  The only reason we do not still have the huge social condemnation of drinking is because of how that went last time. 

Not at all. Just that it's weird that there is a crusade on smokers (that actually seems to be working) when drinking still is a national sport and obesity is just one's own problem.

EDIT: To add to your edit: I'm merely wondering why smokers in particular suffer this fate, is it really only the smoke? Or do people actually fear lung cancer from 2nd hand smoking?

[Valmy]

Not at all. Just that it's weird that there is a crusade on smokers (that actually seems to be working) when drinking still is a national sport and obesity is just one's own problem.

Nothing weird about it.  It is what we do.  Plenty of people would love to stamp out drinking and obesity the same way if they could get away with it.

[Valmy]

EDIT: To add to your edit: I'm merely wondering why smokers in particular suffer this fate, is it really only the smoke? Or do people actually fear lung cancer from 2nd hand smoking?

The second hand smoke thing provides a justification.  Sort of like how the anti-drinking crusade was all about helping the women and children from the evil drinking men.  When obesity is attacked it is about trying to keep health care costs down.

[mongers]

If it turns out he had a smoke to calm his nerves after crashing, damn he's a dead man.

[Tonitrus]

[Martinus]

Well there should be, we agree on that. But that doesn't make "outrage" over smoking unjustified.

The "outrage" over smoking does make me (a former smoker myself) LOL quite often: the self-satisfied puritans who are moaning about smoking all the time are quite pathetic.  However, there is no question that the no-nonsense "fuck that smoking shit in my company/restaurant/transportation/hotel" approach has worked remarkably well.  Smoking has gone, in a couple of decades, from de rigueur to anathema.  Since there is no good to smoking under any conditions I can think of (bar a temporary pleasure) and lots of downside, this has been a major success story.  An "outrage" that is both highly amusing and socially constructive is rare, and we should celebrate it.

I am not outraged, I just hate the smell and get to cough a lot when I am around smokers for a long time. Still, I find the lengths of smokers' vilification pretty dumb.

[garbon]

I am reading the updated version of Kate Fox's watching the English. She noted that Americans make up the one citizenship she knows who still judge people for smoking e-cigarettes, even after any mistaken assumptions that it is a real cigarette.

[Syt]

[Valmy]

I am reading the updated version of Kate Fox's watching the English. She noted that Americans make up the one citizenship she knows who still judge people for smoking e-cigarettes, even after any mistaken assumptions that it is a real cigarette.

I know that kind of exposes how this is not about second hand smoke.  The mentality is to use all the social tools to stomp out this ill like we are wiping out small pox or something, for our own good.  Fanatics take over everything over here it seems.

[CountDeMoney]

People who bitch about second hand smoke and odor haven't smelled enough people the day after a bender.  The smell of booze coming through somebody's skin is disgusting.

[Valmy]

People who bitch about second hand smoke and odor haven't smelled enough people the day after a bender.  The smell of booze coming through somebody's skin is disgusting.

So?  A pile of goat crap is also disgusting.  I don't see why that means I cannot also complain about other disgusting things.

[CountDeMoney]

People who bitch about second hand smoke and odor haven't smelled enough people the day after a bender.  The smell of booze coming through somebody's skin is disgusting.

So?  A pile of goat crap is also disgusting.  I don't see why that means I cannot also complain about other disgusting things.

Your hypocrisy is stifling, Spuds McKenzie. 

[Valmy]

Your hypocrisy is stifling, Spuds McKenzie. 

Not like second hand smoke on its own is hypocritical?  Huh.  Strange definition of hypocrisy there.

[Berkut]

If I thought a similar campaign had any chance of wiping out binge drinking, I would be all for it.

Smoking is one of those things that you know if they invented it at a time where we were capable of understanding the damage it does, it never would have become as prevalent as it became.