Harrison Ford Critically Injured in Plane Crash

[viper37]

Second point explains the smoke-free medical campuses, but does not explain the demand for total abstinence.  Your patients don't see you having a cigar and scotch on your back patio on Saturday.

smokers are innefficient workers.  At all times, they need a break to smoke a cig, or they become stressed while working because it's been 20 minutes since the last cig and they're totally wasting time in the offiice billing 250 000$ worth of contracts in 20 minutes.

[grumbler]

smokers are innefficient workers.  At all times, they need a break to smoke a cig, or they become stressed while working because it's been 20 minutes since the last cig and they're totally wasting time in the offiice billing 250 000$ worth of contracts in 20 minutes.

Gentlemen, I give you:  Exhibit A. 

[Sheilbh]

Smoking's a lot more pleasurable than people give it credit for, it must be said.

Yeah. It an affordable joy. Something tasty.

One of the cities here recently attached e-cigs to their smoking ordinances, effectively treating them as the equivalent of real cigs.

That's such idiocy

I find the idea of not hiring smokers an unacceptable intrusion into someone's personal life.

[viper37]

smokers are innefficient workers.  At all times, they need a break to smoke a cig, or they become stressed while working because it's been 20 minutes since the last cig and they're totally wasting time in the offiice billing 250 000$ worth of contracts in 20 minutes.

Gentlemen, I give you:  Exhibit A. 

still, true story.

[HVC]

smokers are innefficient workers.  At all times, they need a break to smoke a cig, or they become stressed while working because it's been 20 minutes since the last cig and they're totally wasting time in the offiice billing 250 000$ worth of contracts in 20 minutes.

Gentlemen, I give you:  Exhibit A. 

still, true story.

they smoke more but spend less time on buzzfeed. It evens out

[CountDeMoney]

smokers are innefficient workers.  At all times, they need a break to smoke a cig, or they become stressed while working because it's been 20 minutes since the last cig and they're totally wasting time in the offiice billing 250 000$ worth of contracts in 20 minutes.

Gentlemen, I give you:  Exhibit A. 

Yeah, because alcoholism is a much efficent force multiplier over time.

[garbon]

Well it is rather easy to drink without becoming an alcoholic. Seems harder to smoke without becoming a chain smoker.

[alfred russel]

Two reason it isn't hypocrisy:
1) Not hiring smokers is a plausible way to reduce the cost of medical benefits,
2) Someone in the medical industry may not want to have employees visibly smoking and undermining the industry's health messaging while on duty. I think they assume that it is understood that getting blitzed on Jack Daniels while at work will also disqualify you from continued employment.

First point applies to alcohol as well, albeit to a lesser degree.

Second point explains the smoke-free medical campuses, but does not explain the demand for total abstinence.  Your patients don't see you having a cigar and scotch on your back patio on Saturday.

Plus, in Seedy's defense, drinkers provide other externalities to a business that smokers don't.  A smoker won't get himself on the news for wrapping his Mercedes around a telephone pole, for instance.

I don't think the first point does apply to alcohol. The majority of the population drinks. I'm not sure how you achieve a tee-totaling workforce without serious disruption and turn that into a medical deduction. Also alcoholism is a disability under the ADA, so I'm not sure how you achieve reasonable accomodation with alcoholics while excluding all drinkers.

Also, I don't think I want a medical professional who is jonesing for a smoke working on me.

[Sheilbh]

Well it is rather easy to drink without becoming an alcoholic. Seems harder to smoke without becoming a chain smoker.

And yet here I am.

[Razgovory]

Well it is rather easy to drink without becoming an alcoholic. Seems harder to smoke without becoming a chain smoker.

And yet here I am.

Cognitive dissonance is a hell of thing.

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

I don't think the first point does apply to alcohol. The majority of the population drinks.

At one point the majority of the population smoked.

I'm not sure how you achieve a tee-totaling workforce without serious disruption and turn that into a medical deduction.

I think the anti-tobacco movement has been writing a playbook over the past few decades that other anti-vice groups are going to crib from.  Alcohol is a tough one, though, because it can be made by people in their own homes pretty easily.

Also alcoholism is a disability under the ADA, so I'm not sure how you achieve reasonable accomodation with alcoholics while excluding all drinkers.

Which, honestly, is ridiculous.  Of course, at the rate the system is going every addiction is going to be an ADA condition soon.  Shit, I recently found out that I could get myself covered by the ADA if I got someone to give me an official ASD diagnosis.

Also, I don't think I want a medical professional who is jonesing for a smoke working on me.

You, like viper, are extending heavy cigarette smokers to all of tobacco users.  You both ignored my example of a non-cigarette smoker, and you both ignored the indirect impact that tobacco-free medical campuses would have on filtering out cigarette-smoking employees.

Additionally, your example does not justify extending this requirement to every single employee.  That is nothing but lifestyle manipulation.  Your comeback will probably include something about needing to treat all employees equally, but I doubt any court would find a clearly role-based scheme controlling a non-protected activity to be illegal.

[MadBurgerMaker]

Wait.  How did we get to discussing smoking and drinking in a thread about Harrison Ford trashing his awesome Ryan on a golf course?

E:
So cool. 

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Wait.  How did we get to discussing smoking and drinking in a thread about Harrison Ford trashing his awesome Ryan on a golf course?

E:
So cool.

maybe they've been smoking Chewbacca's hair?

[Siege]

Who cares.
Another rich liberal guy supporting th enslaving of the masses for his own benefit.
Another elite dude who thinks he knows what's better for the rest of us.
Do not think. Just watch TV and read magazines. Books too.

Also, vote Democrat. Theh have your best interest at heart while they dine at a 2,000 plate with the Ozombies.

[Eddie Teach]

Wait.  How did we get to discussing smoking and drinking in a thread about Harrison Ford trashing his awesome Ryan on a golf course?

My perfectly apt Indy reference drew no notice whatsoever.