Harrison Ford Critically Injured in Plane Crash

[The Brain]

Smoking is a great indicator. A person who smokes (and isn't really old) is obviously a moran.

[Martinus]

You smoking social justice warriors forget one tiny detail. If you OD on French fries or alcohol you are only hurting yourself (well, apart from being an aggressive dick while drunk of course) but smoking affects the people around you.

Have you ever sat on a plane next to a fat person? We have enough laws to protect us from second hand smoking but not this.

[Liep]

You smoking social justice warriors forget one tiny detail. If you OD on French fries or alcohol you are only hurting yourself (well, apart from being an aggressive dick while drunk of course) but smoking affects the people around you.

Alcoholism awareness campaigns literally use those words: "It affects the people around you".

[Tamas]

You smoking social justice warriors forget one tiny detail. If you OD on French fries or alcohol you are only hurting yourself (well, apart from being an aggressive dick while drunk of course) but smoking affects the people around you.

Alcoholism awareness campaigns literally use those words: "It affects the people around you".

You might be ignoring them, but we have plenty of laws around the world trying to limit the public impact of alcohol drinking. With mixed success, true, but they are there.

So stop this smoking QQ. That's one of the things with smoking: makes smokers whiny.

[Liep]

Public drinking isn't what they mean by "people around you". They mean the family, the children especially. A child with an alcoholic parent will be scarred for life, a child with a smoking parent will have healthy lungs again 10 years after they move out.

[Tamas]

Public drinking isn't what they mean by "people around you". They mean the family, the children especially. A child with an alcoholic parent will be scarred for life, a child with a smoking parent will have healthy lungs again 10 years after they move out.

Yeah I get that, and I have no desire of protecting alcoholics. Alcohol is a pretty nasty drug. I just don't want to reinforce the persecution complex of smokers, because their little hobby is also very unhealthy to others, vile, and immensely inconsiderate.

[Liep]

Public drinking isn't what they mean by "people around you". They mean the family, the children especially. A child with an alcoholic parent will be scarred for life, a child with a smoking parent will have healthy lungs again 10 years after they move out.

Yeah I get that, and I have no desire of protecting alcoholics. Alcohol is a pretty nasty drug. I just don't want to reinforce the persecution complex of smokers, because their little hobby is also very unhealthy to others, vile, and immensely inconsiderate.

My point is that alcohol addiction can also be unhealthy to others (mentally), vile (vomit everywhere in the weekend) and immensely inconsiderate (public disorder, smell), yet there doesn't seem to be the same outrage about drinking.

[Tamas]

Public drinking isn't what they mean by "people around you". They mean the family, the children especially. A child with an alcoholic parent will be scarred for life, a child with a smoking parent will have healthy lungs again 10 years after they move out.

Yeah I get that, and I have no desire of protecting alcoholics. Alcohol is a pretty nasty drug. I just don't want to reinforce the persecution complex of smokers, because their little hobby is also very unhealthy to others, vile, and immensely inconsiderate.

My point is that alcohol addiction can also be unhealthy to others (mentally), vile (vomit everywhere in the weekend) and immensely inconsiderate (public disorder, smell), yet there doesn't seem to be the same outrage about drinking.

Well there should be, we agree on that. But that doesn't make "outrage" over smoking unjustified.

[Liep]

Well there should be, we agree on that. But that doesn't make "outrage" over smoking unjustified.

I just find it a bit bizarre that smokers get so much hate, the smell is annoying, yes, but it only pisses me off when someone smokes where there's a ban, like in a bus or train. And that just doesn't happen often. And even then it only pisses me off because of the implied disrespect.

[grumbler]

I found from The Elegant Sophist, public employees in Arkansas are required to submit their social media accounts - even if private and not referring to their employment position - to the employer and the private employees are soon to follow).

The Supreme Court will smack that down when it goes before them.

They don't need to; it is a myth.  Arkansas, in fact, two years ago became one of the few states to prohibit employers from doing this: http://www.infolawgroup.com/2013/05/articles/privacy-law/arkansas-becomes-the-seventh-state-to-enact-employer-social-media-law-questions-arise-regarding-supervisor-employee-connections/  I'm thinking that either The Elegant Sophist is trolling Marti, knowing he won't check, or Marti is just poor at reading comprehension.

[Tamas]

Well there should be, we agree on that. But that doesn't make "outrage" over smoking unjustified.

I just find it a bit bizarre that smokers get so much hate, the smell is annoying, yes, but it only pisses me off when someone smokes where there's a ban, like in a bus or train. And that just doesn't happen often. And even then it only pisses me off because of the implied disrespect.

Isn't that precisely why they get so much hate, what else? Well, they kind of carry the smell around on their clothes, too.

[Liep]

Well there should be, we agree on that. But that doesn't make "outrage" over smoking unjustified.

I just find it a bit bizarre that smokers get so much hate, the smell is annoying, yes, but it only pisses me off when someone smokes where there's a ban, like in a bus or train. And that just doesn't happen often. And even then it only pisses me off because of the implied disrespect.

Isn't that precisely why they get so much hate, what else? Well, they kind of carry the smell around on their clothes, too.

Yes, that is why, I just find it weird because it rarely happens, and when it does it's most likely because they're drunk.

[grumbler]

Well there should be, we agree on that. But that doesn't make "outrage" over smoking unjustified.

The "outrage" over smoking does make me (a former smoker myself) LOL quite often: the self-satisfied puritans who are moaning about smoking all the time are quite pathetic.  However, there is no question that the no-nonsense "fuck that smoking shit in my company/restaurant/transportation/hotel" approach has worked remarkably well.  Smoking has gone, in a couple of decades, from de rigueur to anathema.  Since there is no good to smoking under any conditions I can think of (bar a temporary pleasure) and lots of downside, this has been a major success story.  An "outrage" that is both highly amusing and socially constructive is rare, and we should celebrate it.

[grumbler]

Isn't that precisely why they get so much hate, what else? Well, they kind of carry the smell around on their clothes, too.

That's not the worst smell people carry around on their clothes! 

[Neil]

You smoking social justice warriors forget one tiny detail. If you OD on French fries or alcohol you are only hurting yourself (well, apart from being an aggressive dick while drunk of course) but smoking affects the people around you.

Have you ever sat on a plane next to a fat person? We have enough laws to protect us from second hand smoking but not this.

Hell, Martinus has used actually sat in a seat on a plane that was sold to a fat person!  He used that fat person's luggage, and he ate the fat person's meal.  Imagine his struggles.