Ivan Massow: Gay men may not realise it, but they are Tory

[Martinus]

MSM

Main Stream Media?  Methylsulfonylmethane?

Men (having) Sex (with) Men.

The socio-science speak for "on the down low".

[Martinus]

Pro-tip while the CDC might use that term, I don't think anyone uses that colloquially. That's just a closet case.

The gay podcast I listen to uses it regularly.

[Gups]

Gay men vote Tory but don't notice?

That seems to be how it works in Britain.  Somehow the Tories get lots of votes despite seemingly being hated by everybody.

UK elections are fundamentally ugly baby competitions.

[Jacob]

Of course, the battle for equality has mostly been won when it comes to homosexuality, so it makes sense that rich white (and lightly brown, in the case of garbon) gay men discard the interests of their erstwhile allies on that front and cash in now that they can be establishment.

Except, of course, if they have a social conscience; but I expect the frequency of that is not particularly related to sexual preference, absent social discrimination.

[Valmy]

Of course, the battle for equality has mostly been won when it comes to homosexuality, so it makes sense that rich white (and lightly brown, in the case of garbon) gay men discard the interests of their erstwhile allies on that front and cash in now that they can be establishment.

It is so sad leftwing people are never part of the establishment.

[Admiral Yi]

Go get 'em Jacob. 

[CountDeMoney]

Of course, the battle for equality has mostly been won when it comes to homosexuality, so it makes sense that rich white (and lightly brown, in the case of garbon) gay men discard the interests of their erstwhile allies on that front and cash in now that they can be establishment.

It is so sad leftwing people are never part of the establishment.

It's all part of getting their slice of the pie, man.  Everybody sells out.   Even fags. 

[Jacob]

Go get 'em Jacob. 

[Valmy]

It's all part of getting their slice of the pie, man.  Everybody sells out.   Even fags. 

Even sell outs can still do something for the little people!  Look at Obama, I am sure he has done something to help secret Muslims after his rise to power.

[grumbler]

Go get 'em Jacob. 

Reliability is an under-rated virtue.

[Jacob]

It is so sad leftwing people are never part of the establishment.

I think the Tories are more establishment than Labour and Liberal Democrats, and certainly much more so than the various groups that did most of the agitating for gay rights and acceptance these last few decades.

[Valmy]

I think the Tories are more establishment than Labour and Liberal Democrats, and certainly much more so than the various groups that did most of the agitating for gay rights and acceptance these last few decades.

Well yeah they are in office.  And again...I don't know.  Gay Rights has long had support from many in the establishment at least personally.  For my part it was preached in schools and in the media long before I saw widespread public acceptance.  Presuming we are talking about these past few decades.  Heck it just got implemented top down in my state.

I don't think the establishment is quite as anti-social justice as you seem to think.

[Jacob]

Well yeah they are in office.  And again...I don't know.  Gay Rights has long had support from many in the establishment at least personally.  For my part it was preached in schools and in the media long before I saw widespread public acceptance.  Presuming we are talking about these past few decades.  Heck it just got implemented top down in my state.

I don't think the establishment is quite as anti-social justice as you seem to think.

I'm not following you, I'm afraid.

[Valmy]

I'm not following you, I'm afraid.

You said 'joining the establishment' as synonymous with abandoning your allies and joining the conservative party, which I disagree that those things are synonymous.  The conservatives are certainly not the establishment in BC so...color me confused.

Is that clear?

[Siege]

I hate him