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Started by Syt, June 17, 2009, 01:56:48 PM

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Neil

#15
June 17, 2009, 03:05:43 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 17, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on June 17, 2009, 02:59:00 PM
at least they don't list the Tiger. that's a good thing.

It made the top 3 in the military paperweight category.

BTW don't tell Neil but HMS Dreadnought made the top 10.
HMS Dreadnought is a top 10 revolutionary fighting machine, not a paperweight.
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DGuller

#16
June 17, 2009, 03:06:20 PM
Why the hate for Tiger?  It was unreliable, true, and took a lot of resources to make.  However, didn't it shoot T-34s like they were practice targets?

The Brain

#17
June 17, 2009, 03:08:29 PM
My theory is that a guy who feels the need to belittle Nazi Germany has a very small penis.
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Berkut

#18
June 17, 2009, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 17, 2009, 03:06:20 PM
Why the hate for Tiger?  It was unreliable, true, and took a lot of resources to make.  However, didn't it shoot T-34s like they were practice targets?

Indeed it did. I am not really convinced that the German focus on quality over quantity was such a terrible idea. It wasn't going to win them the war, but then, nothing would. Its not like they could have outproduced the allies if only they didn't build a couple hundred Tigers.

The bigger problem was the lack of a centralized decision making body in weapons procurement in general. The Tiger wasn't such a bad idea, but the Tiger+Nashorn+King Tiger+Elefant+Tiger II+JagdTiger+... was.
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lustindarkness

#19
June 17, 2009, 03:14:57 PM
I wish I had a tank. :(
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alfred russel

#20
June 17, 2009, 03:20:12 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on June 17, 2009, 03:14:57 PM
I wish I had a tank. :(

How many more times would you have to be promoted to get an aircraft carrier, or at least a submarine? Those would seem much more fun.
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The Brain

#21
June 17, 2009, 03:23:04 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 17, 2009, 03:20:12 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on June 17, 2009, 03:14:57 PM
I wish I had a tank. :(

How many more times would you have to be promoted to get an aircraft carrier, or at least a submarine? Those would seem much more fun.

More fun than a tank? :yeahright:
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derspiess

#22
June 17, 2009, 03:24:43 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 17, 2009, 03:06:20 PM
Why the hate for Tiger?  It was unreliable, true, and took a lot of resources to make.  However, didn't it shoot T-34s like they were practice targets?

The Tiger (and King Tiger) should get bonus points for psychological impact. 
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alfred russel

#23
June 17, 2009, 03:29:22 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 17, 2009, 03:23:04 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 17, 2009, 03:20:12 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on June 17, 2009, 03:14:57 PM
I wish I had a tank. :(

How many more times would you have to be promoted to get an aircraft carrier, or at least a submarine? Those would seem much more fun.

More fun than a tank? :yeahright:

Probably not.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

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Berkut

#24
June 17, 2009, 03:30:27 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 17, 2009, 03:24:43 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 17, 2009, 03:06:20 PM
Why the hate for Tiger?  It was unreliable, true, and took a lot of resources to make.  However, didn't it shoot T-34s like they were practice targets?

The Tiger (and King Tiger) should get bonus points for psychological impact. 

They should get bonus points for destroying rather dizzying numbers of enemy tanks. well, the Tiger anyway. The King Tiger mostly just broke down.
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saskganesh

#25
June 17, 2009, 03:30:48 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 17, 2009, 03:06:20 PM
Why the hate for Tiger?  It was unreliable, true, and took a lot of resources to make.  However, didn't it shoot T-34s like they were practice targets?

yeah. but planes were good at taking out T 34's (and Tigers) as well.

as a battle tank, it would be frustrating to command because of poor mechanical reliability and appetite for gas that was in short supply. it was great for defensive roles... just don't ask it to move.

the Allies did not need to develop a heavy tank. they had lots of Shermans to act as Tiger targets and they had air support for Tiger tank busting.
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Berkut

#26
June 17, 2009, 03:34:15 PM
The Tiger was not meant as a battle tank though - it was a specialist vehicle, and used accordingly. Hell, they only made a couple hundred of them, IIRC.
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Slargos

#27
June 17, 2009, 03:35:34 PM
The S-tank is superior to anything the americans ever made.

Ed Anger

#28
June 17, 2009, 03:36:53 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 17, 2009, 03:34:15 PM
The Tiger was not meant as a battle tank though - it was a specialist vehicle, and used accordingly. Hell, they only made a couple hundred of them, IIRC.

IIRC, ~ 1500.
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Berkut

#29
June 17, 2009, 03:38:08 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 17, 2009, 03:36:53 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 17, 2009, 03:34:15 PM
The Tiger was not meant as a battle tank though - it was a specialist vehicle, and used accordingly. Hell, they only made a couple hundred of them, IIRC.

IIRC, ~ 1500.

Maybe it is the King Tiger they only made a couple hudred of?

Anyway, even 1500 is nothing, considering it was in operation in late '42. It was not meant to be a general issue tank, that is what the Panther was for.
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