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Started by Syt, June 17, 2009, 01:56:48 PM

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The Minsky Moment

#30
June 17, 2009, 03:39:03 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 17, 2009, 03:06:20 PM
Why the hate for Tiger?  It was unreliable, true, and took a lot of resources to make. 

B/c if your biggest strategic problems inlcude: shortages of oil, shortages of transport, shortages of steel,  and shortages of spare parts - basing your operational strategy on a machine that guzzles gas, is relatively mechanically unreliable, and requires a lot of servicing and maintenance is perhaps not the best idea.
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Ed Anger

#31
June 17, 2009, 03:40:10 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 17, 2009, 03:38:08 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 17, 2009, 03:36:53 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 17, 2009, 03:34:15 PM
The Tiger was not meant as a battle tank though - it was a specialist vehicle, and used accordingly. Hell, they only made a couple hundred of them, IIRC.

IIRC, ~ 1500.

Maybe it is the King Tiger they only made a couple hudred of?

Anyway, even 1500 is nothing, considering it was in operation in late '42. It was not meant to be a general issue tank, that is what the Panther was for.

According to Wiki, 487 King Tigers.
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Berkut

#32
June 17, 2009, 03:43:55 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 17, 2009, 03:39:03 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 17, 2009, 03:06:20 PM
Why the hate for Tiger?  It was unreliable, true, and took a lot of resources to make. 

B/c if your biggest strategic problems inlcude: shortages of oil, shortages of transport, shortages of steel,  and shortages of spare parts - basing your operational strategy on a machine that guzzles gas, is relatively mechanically unreliable, and requires a lot of servicing and maintenance is perhaps not the best idea.

You just described the tank in general though!
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Viking

#33
June 17, 2009, 03:45:14 PM
Mk 1?

First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

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Habbaku

#34
June 17, 2009, 03:51:02 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 17, 2009, 03:45:14 PM
Mk 1?

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Ed Anger

#35
June 17, 2009, 03:52:43 PM
I want to play Combat Mission.  :(
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Habbaku

#36
June 17, 2009, 03:56:10 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 17, 2009, 03:52:43 PM
I want to play Combat Mission.  :(

Use your stock market earnings to buy a dinky, used computer and we can get some PBEM going.  :)
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
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derspiess

#37
June 17, 2009, 03:57:16 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 17, 2009, 03:30:27 PM
They should get bonus points for destroying rather dizzying numbers of enemy tanks.

No, those are normal points.  Lots of normal points.
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Admiral Yi

#38
June 17, 2009, 04:11:09 PM
I thought it was funky that the Centurion only had an operational range of 57 miles.

Also check out the rack on the Merkava instructor.

Ed Anger

#39
June 17, 2009, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on June 17, 2009, 03:56:10 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 17, 2009, 03:52:43 PM
I want to play Combat Mission.  :(

Use your stock market earnings to buy a dinky, used computer and we can get some PBEM going.  :)

I donated my old computers to a church.
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Habbaku

#40
June 17, 2009, 04:16:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 17, 2009, 04:13:58 PM
I donated my old computers to a church.

I suggested buying a new one, not robbing your church.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

Ed Anger

#41
June 17, 2009, 04:18:37 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on June 17, 2009, 04:16:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 17, 2009, 04:13:58 PM
I donated my old computers to a church.

I suggested buying a new one, not robbing your church.

I'm actually thinking of buying a mini-Mac.
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Neil

#42
June 17, 2009, 04:26:48 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 17, 2009, 03:35:34 PM
The S-tank is superior to anything the americans ever made.
Come now.  Sweden has produced some decent guns, but we all know that by and large their armaments industry is mainly a subsidy for local workers, and they haven't produced a first-line weapons system in over a century.
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#43
June 17, 2009, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 17, 2009, 04:18:37 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on June 17, 2009, 04:16:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 17, 2009, 04:13:58 PM
I donated my old computers to a church.

I suggested buying a new one, not robbing your church.

I'm actually thinking of buying a mini-Mac.
Great.  You, BB and Martinus can team up to fag the forum up.
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lustindarkness

#44
June 17, 2009, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 17, 2009, 03:20:12 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on June 17, 2009, 03:14:57 PM
I wish I had a tank. :(

How many more times would you have to be promoted to get an aircraft carrier, or at least a submarine? Those would seem much more fun.

Ha!

BTW, a destroyer as my personal weekend part/fishing boat would be nice.
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