Self-proclaimed atheist charged in slayings of North Carolina Muslim students

[garbon]

That he was an atheist seems moot; that he was anti-religious seems quite germane.  Newspapers miss the distinction; film at 11.

Is it a distinction with meaningful difference? I can't speak for you but pretty much every time that I encounter someone who is anti-religious, they are an atheist.

The Greeks didn't worship the Gods because they loved them, but because they were dicks who'd make their lives a living hell if they didn't. Does that count as anti-religious non-atheists? 

Sorry, I'm not as old as grumbler and thus did not encounter those individuals.

[garbon]

Is it a distinction with meaningful difference? I can't speak for you but pretty much every time that I encounter someone who is anti-religious, they are an atheist.

I think the distinction is meaningful.  Deists, for instance, are anti-religious but not atheists. 

I don't think I've ever encountered a deist - or at least someone that was open about being one.

[Valmy]

Besides, I can remember a rather recent time when there were a few muslims who killed a few white people and the media made it a circus. Why I even seem to recall an entire city shutting down during the manhunt.

Since I obviously don't why be so cryptic?

And what is the article trying to say?  I am only going by the words that were typed.  Care to elaborate?  Besides I am only discussing this one aspect of that article.

[Eddie Teach]

Boston marathon bombing, I assume.

[Valmy]

Boston marathon bombing, I assume.

We had no way of knowing they were Muslims at first.  And a bombing in a public place at a major event is a bit different is it not?  I don't see how that is even remotely comparable.  Surely garbon is referring to something more logical and relevant.

[garbon]

Since I obviously don't why be so cryptic?

I didn't think I was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_and_Tamerlan_Tsarnaev

And what is the article trying to say?  I am only going by the words that were typed.  Care to elaborate?

I don't think the article was saying that there is a conspiracy but simply it is part of the societal structure on how people think about Muslims. I don't think it is any shocker to note that Islam is typically painted poorly in news media.

[garbon]

Boston marathon bombing, I assume.

We had no way of knowing they were Muslims at first.  And a bombing in a public place is a bit different is it not?  I don't see how that is even remotely comparable.  Surely garbon is referring to something more logical and relevant.

Oh fuck you. You asked about a time that the media went mental about Muslims (Well actually in a bizarre way you went specifically to Arab-Americans).  Really I think it is fairly rare now that we don't immediately from the initial jump assume that Muslims are involved in shooting events that make national/international news.

edit: And by 'we', I don't actually mean to include myself.

[Valmy]

Since I obviously don't why be so cryptic?

I didn't think I was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_and_Tamerlan_Tsarnaev

Oh for Godsake

I don't think the article was saying that there is a conspiracy but simply it is part of the societal structure on how people think about Muslims.

I never claimed it claimed it was a conspiracy.  I said it just said there was this effect created by these societal structures without providing any evidence that is the case.  THe claim was it would have been reported differently if the opposite was true and that the reporting has been lacking.  I see no evidence at all to back this up.

I don't think it is any shocker to note that Islam is typically painted poorly in news media.

Islam in the Middle East?  Sure but I do not recall the newsmedia going after American Muslims much, if ever.  Besides you cannot just take this and then be allowed to just make up whatever you want as an impact without something to back it up.  Particularly a claim that we do not think Muslim lives matter at all.  I see nothing, not one thing, that allows the writer to come to this conclusion.

[garbon]

Since I obviously don't why be so cryptic?

I didn't think I was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_and_Tamerlan_Tsarnaev

Oh for Godsake

I don't think the article was saying that there is a conspiracy but simply it is part of the societal structure on how people think about Muslims.

I never claimed it claimed it was a conspiracy.  I said it just said there was this effect created by these societal structures without providing any evidence that is the case.  THe claim was it would have been reported differently if the opposite was true and that the reporting has been lacking.  I see no evidence at all to back this up.

I don't think it is any shocker to note that Islam is typically painted poorly in news media.

Islam in the Middle East?  Sure but I do not recall the newsmedia going after American Muslims much, if ever.  Besides you cannot just take this and then be allowed to just make up whatever you want as an impact without something to back it up.  Particularly a claim that we do not think Muslim lives matter at all.  I see nothing, not one thing, that allows the writer to come to this conclusion.

Have fun in your fun bubble, Texas.

[Valmy]

Oh fuck you. You asked about a time that the media went mental about Muslims (Well actually in a bizarre way you went specifically to Arab-Americans).  Really I think it is fairly rare now that we don't immediately from the initial jump assume that Muslims are involved in shooting events that make national/international news.

edit: And by 'we', I don't actually mean to include myself.

Because the article specifically said 'Arab and Muslim'.  And the Boston Marathon bombing was a big story before we had any idea it had anything to do with Muslims.

Is this assumption actually made?  Virtually all shootings in the US are made by angry white dudes, I think most people assume that is who the culprit is when we hear of a shooting in the US.  When Sandyhook, or whatever happens, nobody starts going 'those Muslims are at it again'!  Or maybe they do.  I just have never heard that before.

[Valmy]

Have fun in your fun bubble, Texas.

Hey we are the ones portrayed as dangerous gun nuts who shoot people right and left. Nice you decided to use the state I am from as an insult as if that is relevant to a damn thing.

[11B4V]

Have fun in your fun bubble, Texas.

Hey we are the ones portrayed as dangerous gun nuts who shoot people right and left.

Welcome to the bubble Valmy.

[Eddie Teach]

Virtually all shootings in the US are made by angry white dudes,

Mass public shootings of random people, sure. But this wasn't a case of that, it was personal.

[Valmy]

I thought maybe garbon was referring to the parking lot shooters shortly after 9/11. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks

But even there the fact they were Muslims was a surprise at the end.

Mass public shootings of random people, sure. But this wasn't a case of that, it was personal.

Good point. But he still fits the profile.

[Valmy]

Am I crazy here?  Does anybody think, when they hear of a shooting at a school or something in the US, think Muslims are involved?  Any articles that speculate that?  Am I really living a bubble?