Christie clarifies comments on measles vaccine, calls for ‘balance’

[CountDeMoney]

the anti-vaccination hotspots are LA, Portland and Vermont

Democratic bastions. 

Yeah, Texas is a true Democratic bastion as well.

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/01/217746942/texas-megachurch-at-center-of-measles-outbreak

Pearsons set up vaccination clinics on church property, but at the same time, when she preaches to her congregates, the message is for them to put their faith in God.

"So I'm going to tell you what the facts are, and the facts are the facts, but then we know the truth. That always overcomes facts," she has said.

In a 2010 broadcast, Copeland expressed shock at the number of vaccines recommended for his grandchild.

"You don't take the word of the guy that's trying to give the shot about what's good and what isn't," he said. 

Tards at night, big and bright.

[MadImmortalMan]

Yeah, Texas is a true Democratic bastion as well.

There are tons of Dems in Texas. It's just that the ones running the state party are terrible. It's a disorganized mess that too often results in goofy kooks getting nominations.

[grumbler]

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/01/217746942/texas-megachurch-at-center-of-measles-outbreak

Pearsons set up vaccination clinics on church property, but at the same time, when she preaches to her congregates, the message is for them to put their faith in God.

"So I'm going to tell you what the facts are, and the facts are the facts, but then we know the truth. That always overcomes facts," she has said.

In a 2010 broadcast, Copeland expressed shock at the number of vaccines recommended for his grandchild.

"You don't take the word of the guy that's trying to give the shot about what's good and what isn't," he said. 

Tards at night, big and bright.

"The truth always overcomes facts."  I gotta remember that one.  Prime grade-A gibberish.

[CountDeMoney]

Yeah, Texas is a true Democratic bastion as well.

There are tons of Dems in Texas. It's just that the ones running the state party are terrible. It's a disorganized mess that too often results in goofy kooks getting nominations.

I think when it comes to this particular issue, for every fruitcake hipster in Portlandia there's a Biblethumper listening to God in Texas.  The anti-vaccine crowd comes from all points on the compass.

[Jacob]

I think when it comes to this particular issue, for every fruitcake hipster in Portlandia there's a Biblethumper listening to God in Texas.  The anti-vaccine crowd comes from all points on the compass.

Yeah, like I said the local outbreaks due to lack of vaccinations have been amongst conservative bible thumper types rather than granola purity hippie types.

Perhaps because the bible groupings are more organized and tend to cluster more?

[derspiess]

I think when it comes to this particular issue, for every fruitcake hipster in Portlandia there's a Biblethumper listening to God in Texas.  The anti-vaccine crowd comes from all points on the compass.

Yeah, like I said the local outbreaks due to lack of vaccinations have been amongst conservative bible thumper types rather than granola purity hippie types.

Perhaps because the bible groupings are more organized and tend to cluster more?

In California?

[Sheilbh]

Yeah, like I said the local outbreaks due to lack of vaccinations have been amongst conservative bible thumper types rather than granola purity hippie types.

Perhaps because the bible groupings are more organized and tend to cluster more?

Maybe.

I've largely been going off this map:

Though the story has examples of, say, a local megachurch going against it:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/02/vaccine-exemptions-states-pertussis-map

[CountDeMoney]

Mississippi and West Virginia have no data because they require no exemption reason at all, whether religious or philosophical.

[Ed Anger]

Fucking Michigan. No wonder I always feel sick.

[dps]

Mississippi and West Virginia have no data because they require no exemption reason at all, whether religious or philosophical.

Mississippi and West Virginia have no data because they require no exemption reason at all, whether religious or philosophical.

You've got that backwards;  it's not that Mississippi and WV require no exemption reason, it's that they allow no non-medical exemptions.

[Jacob]

Yeah, this is apparently one issue where Mississippi and WV are leading the pack. Good for them.

[DontSayBanana]

  Vaccines can, and do, screw kids up.  The issue of one of risk/reward, not "Cal is absolutely right and Rand is absolutely wrong."  Rand, it turns out, is more right than you!

They can and do?

What sort of adverse reactions are we talking about, and how frequent are they? How is this documented?

At the risk of sounding a bit hypochondriac, the pertussis vaccine nearly killed me, thanks to a violent allergic reaction.  Days-long fever well over 100 to the point where I was having seizures.  I can't speak to how frequently it happened, but I can attest personally that they do happen and are documented (the pertussis portion was soon dropped from the DTP vaccine, making it the DT vaccine, until it was reformulated to cause less allergic responses).

[The Minsky Moment]

Maybe.

I've largely been going off this map:

Oregon isn't just Portlandia hipsters; there's a lot of backcountry.
That map doesn't tell you much absent a finer breakdown.

[Razgovory]

I think when it comes to this particular issue, for every fruitcake hipster in Portlandia there's a Biblethumper listening to God in Texas.  The anti-vaccine crowd comes from all points on the compass.

Yeah, like I said the local outbreaks due to lack of vaccinations have been amongst conservative bible thumper types rather than granola purity hippie types.

Perhaps because the bible groupings are more organized and tend to cluster more?

In California?

I seem to recall Reagan doing quite well there.  Also it's the Land of Darrell Issa.

[sbr]

Maybe.

I've largely been going off this map:

Oregon isn't just Portlandia hipsters; there's a lot of backcountry.
That map doesn't tell you much absent a finer breakdown.

Yep.  Here is the breakdown of the Nov 2014 Oregon Governor elections (though almost every election is close to this):



The 2 counties on the coast are a bit surprising.  The other 2 blue counties in the south are college towns; the smaller one is Benton County-Oregon State University and the larger is Linn County - University of Oregon.  If not for the Universities in those towns those counties would be red as well.