Christie clarifies comments on measles vaccine, calls for ‘balance’

[celedhring]

I knew a couple back in the US that weren't "completely against" vaccinating their children but preferred to space out the injections a bit more so they "didn't overwhelm the kid's body". They didn't think it was critical to follow the regulated schedule because these illnesses, you know, aren't much of an issue nowadays. BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS VACCINATED AGAINST THEM YOU IDIOTS.

[The Minsky Moment]

I wish people who refuse to vaccinate their children were summarily executed.

Don't know about that but I could be convinced that the DP should be applied to Andrew Wakefield.

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

No...that's a pretty fucking stupid thing to say, man.

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Wow, if there was ever a successful policy it must be this. Which other policy has a 99+% success rate? You must be really stupid to be against this.

Much of the rationalization comes down to what one blogger referred to as the "Brady Bunch vaccine fallacy".  Under that "logic" the measles wasn't that bad back when "everybody got it", so the vaccine really doesn't accomplish much but making money for the manufacturers, and any risk is not worth the reward.

BTW, the chart he pulled off Wikipedia shows how rapidly the vaccine had an effect.  It is more impressive than just seeing two numbers as a line item.

[crazy canuck]

I knew a couple back in the US that weren't "completely against" vaccinating their children but preferred to space out the injections a bit more so they "didn't overwhelm the kid's body". They didn't think it was critical to follow the regulated schedule because these illnesses, you know, aren't much of an issue nowadays. BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS VACCINATED AGAINST THEM YOU IDIOTS.

I also know a guy who married a groovy back to nature type who was opposed to all vaccinations because she observed that those illnesses don't affect people anymore.

[The Minsky Moment]

I also know a guy who married a groovy back to nature type who was opposed to all vaccinations because she observed that those illnesses don't affect people anymore.

That's like a line out of a Douglas Adams character.

[CountDeMoney]

Here's a piece with several links to articles highlighting the "herd mentality" of the anti-vaccine movement--

http://io9.com/the-herd-mentality-of-the-anti-vaxxer-movement-1626928779

[DontSayBanana]

Christie got unpopular in the GOP as soon as he started showing he could be reasonable.

Nobody in the south of the state would accuse this guy of being overly reasonable.  Remember, the "other" New Jersey poster is basically a New Yorker that lives across the river.

[Sheilbh]

I wish people who refuse to vaccinate their children were summarily executed. Do you guys know any idiots like that personally?

No. But once I have friends with children I know it'll happen. I already have a few friends who will head down this route. They're half way to Portland already

[DGuller]

Nobody in the south of the state would accuse this guy of being overly reasonable. 

Nobody at all?  Not a single person?

Remember, the "other" New Jersey poster is basically a New Yorker that lives across the river.

Yeah, you got me. 

From my point of view, the "other" New Jersey poster is habitually talking about things he has no actual understanding of.  I guess there is the first time for everything, and maybe this time he's writing something that isn't total horseshit, but given the presence of absolutist statements about a politician elected in a landslide, and the lack of realization of how utterly stupid those statements sound, I'm going to conclude that this moment has yet to arrive.

[Caliga]

My uncle, who lives in south Jersey, also despises Christie.  But he hates him for personal reasons... because Christie personally cut his salary.

[CountDeMoney]

I wish people who refuse to vaccinate their children were summarily executed. Do you guys know any idiots like that personally?

No. But once I have friends with children I know it'll happen. I already have a few friends who will head down this route. They're half way to Portland already

Actually, anti-vaccinism seems to be coming more from the LA "alternative medicine" celebrity-and-money crowd rather than the granola and birkenstocks crowd, or even the Jesus-rode-dinosaurs crowd.  But it is spreading.

[Jacob]

Actually, anti-vaccinism seems to be coming more from the LA "alternative medicine" celebrity-and-money crowd rather than the granola and birkenstocks crowd, or even the Jesus-rode-dinosaurs crowd.  But it is spreading.

It crops up in all sorts of places, unfortunately. We an outbreak in one of the satellite communities, and as I recall it it was a religious charter school type deal and the people were primarily some sort of Jesus fundamentalists.

I have a friend of a friend who had a hard time. She's more of a granola crowd and she - in the words of a mutual friend - "really struggled with vaccinations". Luckily she decided to have her kid get them because she's otherwise absolutely lovely, but I don't think I can associate with anti-vaccine people socially.

[dps]

I guess Christie just got Meri's vote.

[Sheilbh]

Yeah. I associate it with the knit your own granola people. I think the highest rate of non-vaccinations is in Oregon.

I find it really weird that it's kicking off at all in the US right now. We had it when Wakefield's 'research' came out. Now it's more or less only in the Daily Express, along with Diana conspiracies. But the non-vac crowd declined rapidly.

[CountDeMoney]

Actually, anti-vaccinism seems to be coming more from the LA "alternative medicine" celebrity-and-money crowd rather than the granola and birkenstocks crowd, or even the Jesus-rode-dinosaurs crowd.  But it is spreading.

It crops up in all sorts of places, unfortunately. We an outbreak in one of the satellite communities, and as I recall it it was a religious charter school type deal and the people were primarily some sort of Jesus fundamentalists.

I have a friend of a friend who had a hard time. She's more of a granola crowd and she - in the words of a mutual friend - "really struggled with vaccinations". Luckily she decided to have her kid get them because she's otherwise absolutely lovely, but I don't think I can associate with anti-vaccine people socially.

Yeah, the fundies and the granolas have always had a certain amount of goofy skepticism about it, but the Jenny McCarthys and the LA wealth set have really seemed to get it some traction the last few years.