11 dead in French satirical magazine shooting

[Syt]

Also, German government wants to introduce wider collection of telecommunications data to prevent such attacks like in Paris.

As cynics point out, they want basically the same legislation as France, in order to prevent attacks like in France.

[CountDeMoney]

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[derspiess]

[Siege]

Though it wasn't what they intended / not what they took from it - I think this actually is a good piece of evidence against us all walking around with guns. Doesn't make a difference.

Well, duh.  To think that untrained civilians would stand much of a chance against a gunman is a fantastical daydream, not reality.  The gunman knows he'll be shooting people that day, the civilian doesn't.  When you balance it against the increased risk of death from various causes that always follows the presence of guns, the policy of Afghanistaning civilians doesn't make any sense.  Then again, few pro-gun arguments do, and none of them are utilitarian or pragmatic.

Dude, the point is that the prescence of an armed civilian population would make the terrorists think twice. They always try to maximize their chances by choosing soft targets.

[frunk]

Dude, the point is that the prescence of an armed civilian population would make the terrorists think twice. They always try to maximize their chances by choosing soft targets.

It also increases the chances of something stupid happening when one of the now armed civilians only thinks once.

[crazy canuck]

Dude, the point is that the prescence of an armed civilian population would make the terrorists think twice. They always try to maximize their chances by choosing soft targets.

It also increases the chances of something stupid happening when one of the now armed civilians only thinks once.

Armed civilians thinking anyone who looks like a "Muslim" could be a terrorist - what could possibly go wrong?

[Martinus]

Fewer hipsters and "lumbersexuals"?

[Razgovory]

Though it wasn't what they intended / not what they took from it - I think this actually is a good piece of evidence against us all walking around with guns. Doesn't make a difference.

Well, duh.  To think that untrained civilians would stand much of a chance against a gunman is a fantastical daydream, not reality.  The gunman knows he'll be shooting people that day, the civilian doesn't.  When you balance it against the increased risk of death from various causes that always follows the presence of guns, the policy of Afghanistaning civilians doesn't make any sense.  Then again, few pro-gun arguments do, and none of them are utilitarian or pragmatic.

Dude, the point is that the prescence of an armed civilian population would make the terrorists think twice. They always try to maximize their chances by choosing soft targets.

I don't think that can be found anywhere in the works of the Founding Fathers.

[Jacob]

Black Muslim gets French citizenship early due to CH shootings: http://news.yahoo.com/malian-hero-jewish-shop-attack-french-nationality-150004952.html

[Siege]

Dude, the point is that the prescence of an armed civilian population would make the terrorists think twice. They always try to maximize their chances by choosing soft targets.

It also increases the chances of something stupid happening when one of the now armed civilians only thinks once.

Actually, being armed gives you a sense of responsability that you normally don't have. I do not get carried away into stupid arguments when I'm packing. I drive defensively and I am far more corteous than when I'm flat bellied. Road rage is for the weak and unarmed.

[11B4V]

Dude, the point is that the prescence of an armed civilian population would make the terrorists think twice. They always try to maximize their chances by choosing soft targets.

It also increases the chances of something stupid happening when one of the now armed civilians only thinks once.

Armed civilians thinking anyone who looks like a "Muslim" could be a terrorist - what could possibly go wrong?

Even the numbers of civies carrying by ccw's is a low percentage of the population. Rather inconsequential really, even to make an effective argument for an armed populace. Do you as a civilian really want to be engaging those fuck nards when responding units are arriving???????? Do you think that is a brilliant plan? You are most and likely going to get dead.


FWIW page 9
http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Concealed-Carry-Permit-Holders-Across-the-United-States.pdf

[crazy canuck]

Dude, the point is that the prescence of an armed civilian population would make the terrorists think twice. They always try to maximize their chances by choosing soft targets.

It also increases the chances of something stupid happening when one of the now armed civilians only thinks once.

Armed civilians thinking anyone who looks like a "Muslim" could be a terrorist - what could possibly go wrong?

Even the numbers of civies carrying by ccw's is a low percentage of the population. Rather inconsequential really, even to make an effective argument for an armed populace. Do you as a civilian really want to be engaging those fuck nards when responding units are arriving???????? Do you think that is a brilliant plan? You are most and likely going to get dead.

Exactly.   

[Berkut]

Dude, the point is that the prescence of an armed civilian population would make the terrorists think twice. They always try to maximize their chances by choosing soft targets.

It also increases the chances of something stupid happening when one of the now armed civilians only thinks once.

Armed civilians thinking anyone who looks like a "Muslim" could be a terrorist - what could possibly go wrong?

Even the numbers of civies carrying by ccw's is a low percentage of the population. Rather inconsequential really, even to make an effective argument for an armed populace. Do you as a civilian really want to be engaging those fuck nards when responding units are arriving???????? Do you think that is a brilliant plan? You are most and likely going to get dead.


FWIW page 9
http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Concealed-Carry-Permit-Holders-Across-the-United-States.pdf

If I was carrying when something like this went down, I do think I would at least see if I could come up with a way of taking them by surprise, perhaps.

Of course, the difficulty in hitting a human target with a handgun at anything more than very short range is pretty problematic. It would be very hard to get to a range short enough to make a surprise kill without being seen.


edit: What I mean is, even if you are a cop with reasonable training, and this is going down and the bad guys don't even know you are there, it would STILL be very hard to do more than increase the body count by one (your own). Still, I think I would be compelled to try at least...

[crazy canuck]

Still, I think I would be compelled to try at least...

You have watched Die Hard one too many times.

[derspiess]

If I was carrying when something like this went down, I do think I would at least see if I could come up with a way of taking them by surprise, perhaps.

Tackle first, then shoot.