11 dead in French satirical magazine shooting

[Martinus]

The points made by Crazy Ivan and Crazy Canuck were actually made by Salman Rushdie in the link I posted.

By the way, it's heartwarming to see both the Pope and the Archbishop of Paris unequivocally stand with the freedom of expression and with the victims. Polish Catholic hierarchy has been much more ambiguous than that in their responses.

[DGuller]

today on our radio came the conclusion (by a cultural muslim) that one of the giant factors for this bullshit are the Saoudi-petrodollars at work in spreading their vile wahabism/salafism. And one of the actions needed to diminish the threat of more episodes like this one following is disallowing the saoudi's (or anyone like them) to fund, spread or otherwise insinuate their doctrine in our countries, or for that matter: anywhere else in the world that's not their own shithole of a country.

That is the biggest issue, and one that saddens me. Those that are directly responsible for the scourge of political Islam are our own dear allies, the Saudis.  It almost feels like we're fighting the spread of communism while being allied to Soviet Union.

[Tonitrus]

http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/179210/jeanmarie-le-pen-is-not-charlie-

Jean-Marie Le Pen 'is not Charlie'

Founder of France's National Front Jean-Marie Le Pen "is not Charlie" but laments the deaths of 12 "compatriots" who lost their lives to terrorists' bullets on Wednesday this week.

Alluding to a hashtag that has gone viral since the deadly attack – "Je suis Charlie', "I am Charlie" -, trending on social media, the historic leader of the far-right party denounced the demonstration that has been called for Sunday bringing together Europe's main political leaders has been "orchestrated" by media - the NF was not invited to the Charlie Hebdo rally in solidarity with the victims of the three attacks that took place in France over the past days.

"The way in which all this is orchestrated reminds me of similar demonstrations of the same type that were organized with the complicity of media, like for instance in the Carpentras affair, when the National Front was accused of having desecrated a Jewish cemetery grave, being completely innocent," the controversial politician affirmed this time in reference to an attack against a Jewish cemetery back in 1996 that was linked to French far-right movements.

"And today are all Charlie. I am Charlie. Well, I am sorry, but I am not Charlie," Le Pen said adding he regretted the death of "twelve French compatriots of whom I don't want to know their political identity although I know it perfectly." He said it was the political identity of "the enemies of the National Front that not long ago demanded its dissolution."

"I will not fight to defend the spirit of Charlie, which is an anarchism-Trotskyism like spirit."

I am sure she is standing by her principles...but in cold, political reality terms, she just totally blew any bonuses she and the NP might have gotten from all this.  But then that's almost certainly a good thing anyway.

[Duque de Bragança]

http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/179210/jeanmarie-le-pen-is-not-charlie-

Jean-Marie Le Pen 'is not Charlie'

Founder of France's National Front Jean-Marie Le Pen "is not Charlie" but laments the deaths of 12 "compatriots" who lost their lives to terrorists' bullets on Wednesday this week.

Alluding to a hashtag that has gone viral since the deadly attack – "Je suis Charlie', "I am Charlie" -, trending on social media, the historic leader of the far-right party denounced the demonstration that has been called for Sunday bringing together Europe's main political leaders has been "orchestrated" by media - the NF was not invited to the Charlie Hebdo rally in solidarity with the victims of the three attacks that took place in France over the past days.

"The way in which all this is orchestrated reminds me of similar demonstrations of the same type that were organized with the complicity of media, like for instance in the Carpentras affair, when the National Front was accused of having desecrated a Jewish cemetery grave, being completely innocent," the controversial politician affirmed this time in reference to an attack against a Jewish cemetery back in 1996 that was linked to French far-right movements.

"And today are all Charlie. I am Charlie. Well, I am sorry, but I am not Charlie," Le Pen said adding he regretted the death of "twelve French compatriots of whom I don't want to know their political identity although I know it perfectly." He said it was the political identity of "the enemies of the National Front that not long ago demanded its dissolution."

"I will not fight to defend the spirit of Charlie, which is an anarchism-Trotskyism like spirit."

I am sure she is standing by her principles...but in cold, political reality terms, she just totally blew any bonuses she and the NP might have gotten from all this.  But then that's almost certainly a good thing anyway.

The one speaking is a he, that's the father. He likes to be provocative, but not in the Charlie Hebdo way.
Actually, the Charlie Hebdo surviving guys are not that happy with near-unanimous support in France with some even saying they "vomit" on those who now pay tribute to them, like Geert Wilders or Putin. Some others were named as well.

[crazy canuck]

The points made by Crazy Ivan and Crazy Canuck were actually made by Salman Rushdie in the link I posted.

By the way, it's heartwarming to see both the Pope and the Archbishop of Paris unequivocally stand with the freedom of expression and with the victims. Polish Catholic hierarchy has been much more ambiguous than that in their responses.

They were made by Reza Aslan in his Book No God But God in around 2006.  Rushdie should have attributed authorship.

[alfred russel]

By the way, it's heartwarming to see both the Pope and the Archbishop of Paris unequivocally stand with the freedom of expression and with the victims. Polish Catholic hierarchy has been much more ambiguous than that in their responses.

It is, even if the Bishop of Paris is more of a titular title in partibus infidelium.

[Duque de Bragança]

By the way, it's heartwarming to see both the Pope and the Archbishop of Paris unequivocally stand with the freedom of expression and with the victims. Polish Catholic hierarchy has been much more ambiguous than that in their responses.

It is, even if the Bishop of Paris is more of a titular title in partibus infidelium.

[Valmy]

The idea that this internal Muslim is decided by how we respond seems rather absurd but hey whatever. 

Does not compute. Really. I usually try to make sense of someone's post, even if they make some syntax mistake or miss words, but I completely do not understand what you are saying

I left out a word.  This is an internal muslim conflict.  I think the idea that it is seriously impacted by what we do is just not true.

[Valmy]

Swedish free media is definitely hobbled by Islam. Papers are afraid to publish harmless cartoons FFS.

That is just them being Swedish.  They refused to say mean things about Hitler to.

[dps]

today on our radio came the conclusion (by a cultural muslim) that one of the giant factors for this bullshit are the Saoudi-petrodollars at work in spreading their vile wahabism/salafism. And one of the actions needed to diminish the threat of more episodes like this one following is disallowing the saoudi's (or anyone like them) to fund, spread or otherwise insinuate their doctrine in our countries, or for that matter: anywhere else in the world that's not their own shithole of a country.

So our response should be to ban attempts to spread ideas we don't agree with?  Sort of like how Russia has banned advocating for gay rights?

Sorry, no.  That shit might fly in Europe or Quebec, but in the US we'll left idiots spout bad ideas, and counter them by advocating good ideas.

[CountDeMoney]

[DGuller]

Color be skeptical that's really him.

[Razgovory]

[jimmy olsen]

This trend will only accelerate

http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.636348

French Israelis were as shocked and saddened over the horrific attacks in Paris as Americans were about 9/11, but while we were stunned, they weren't surprised at all.

In the wake of Friday's horrific murders in a Paris kosher supermarket on the heels of the Charlie Hebdo massacre, the Telegraph dramatically proclaimed: "Anti-Semitism in France: the Exodus has begun."

It's an inaccurate headline. The exodus of French citizens who no longer feel safe living openly and freely as Jews in the homes and neighborhoods where they grew up hasn't simply "begun." It's well underway.

Israelis who live in my city know this well - it's happening on our doorstep. Over the past two decades, I've watched a parade of French Jews make the move into my Tel Aviv suburb of Ra'anana and become my friends and neighbors. What began as a trickle in the 1990s is now a flood. In my daughter's fifth-grade class this year, three new children arrived - all French. They were among the 7,000 French Jews who uprooted their lives and moved to Israel in 2014 -- more than double the number who came the previous year.



After this traumatic Friday - when Jews lost their lives simply because they were in a kosher supermarket, when Jewish life shut down and Jews huddled in their homes in fear, and when Grand Synagogue in Paris closed its doorson Shabbat for the first time since World War II - I can only imagine how many French children will be joining them for sixth grade.

Just as we American immigrants were glued to the television and telephones, horrified after the September 11 attacks in 2001, I watched my French friends and neighbors here follow the unfolding events and speak to their frightened family members in Paris back home after the Charlie Hebdo massacre and then, with more urgency, during the supermarket siege. They were as shocked and saddened over the tragedy as we Americans were back then, with one big difference - we were shocked and stunned, and they weren't surprised at all.

After all, it was the primary reason they are here in the first place - because openly Jewish life - attending synagogue, buying kosher food, wearing a kippa - have become incompatible with personal security.

My town has long been a magnet for affluent Western immigrants from around the world. Some leave safe and comfortable countries out of Zionist commitment - from the U.S., Canada, or Australia, or because they married Israelis, as I did. There are significant groups, however, that come to get away from difficult political and economic situations: South Africans, Argentineans, Venezuelans.

And now, the French are coming. We joked that it was "the French revolution" when they first began arriving here in noticeable numbers in the late 1990's and early 2000's, telling stories of feeling intimidated in the streets of Paris or Marseilles and the feeling that the French government was not stepping in to protect them. That sentiment reached a head with the horrific murder of Ilan Halimi in 2006.

And then there was a lull. After 2007, when Nicolas Sarkozy was elected, the number of new French neighbors and classmates slowed. When I would chat with visitors to Israel from France, they seemed confident that while they still worried about anti-Semitism, they felt the French government had the situation under better control. During that time a significant number of the early wave of French newcomers returned home after finding integrating into Israel too difficult for their families economically and culturally.

But over the past few years - as the post-Sarkozy era coincided with the rise of militant Islam in France and across Europe, and the increase in anti-Semitic incidents shot up. The faltering economy in Europe didn't help matters, either.

And so the influx has resumed full force.

Here in Ra'anana - or in Netanya or Tel Aviv - we didn't need to look at the Jewish Agency statistics to tell us that. The signs are everywhere - literally. Signs on shops that were previously only in Hebrew and English - have added French. Real estate prices are sky-high, both because of French Jews moving here and many more purchasing a home here "just in case." The park across my street from my house brims with mothers and children chattering in French on any given day.

The good news for us locals is that finding an excellent croissant - or any other form of French pastry - has become as easy as getting a good falafel.

Let's be clear - though these French Jews loved and felt connected to Israel, these families aren't necessarily burning with personal Zionist fervor. Most were as professionally and culturally tied to France as American Jews are to the United States. And to be sure - many of the French Jews who can manage financially and logistically have - and will continue to head for destinations other than Israel - New York, Florida, and Canada.

But the fact that so many do come to Israel - even as the rockets were flying in Gaza last summer - that they view it as a place where they are safe, I suppose, only emphasizes how unsafe they are feeling in France. And they're not the only ones. As the siege was unfolding in Paris, I spoke to Jo, a French friend whose child is one of the kids in my daughter's class.

Jo immigrated to Israel alone - her mother and stepfather, who isn't Jewish, still live in France, but her mother recently bought an apartment in Ra'anana, and her visits are growing longer and longer. AfteBUt r the Charlie Hebdo massacre and the whole shocking aftermath, she said, it's not only the Jews who are feeling unsafe in France.

"My mother told me that her gentile neighbors are saying that the Jews are lucky. At least we have somewhere else to go."

[Admiral Yi]

What's his point?  That Charlie shouldn't have ridiculed Islam because there are Muslim cops?