European Islamophobia

[alfred russel]

I think Malthus is right and Viking wrong, but to take Viking's side and counterbalance the dog pile a bit, I think there is something to what he is saying. Yes Malthus is right in the case of Catholic views toward Old Testament laws--they take a point of view that has been established for a very long time and is not so easy to change.

However, if you look at actual Catholic practice, ~500 years ago they were having heretics burned at the stake, a scientist was put under arrest for pointing out the planets revolve around the sun, and large parts of the world were being forcibly subjugated in part to spread the religion. Even though the Church talks about being unchanging, preaching consistent messages, etc, it has been flexible enough to change with the times.

I'd argue that this has happened in Islam too, even if events like this suggest otherwise.

[crazy canuck]

Why do you say the Catholic Church talks about being "unchanging"?

[alfred russel]

Why do you say the Catholic Church talks about being "unchanging"?

I meant on the big doctrine stuff.

[CountDeMoney]

Hello sailor!

I want franking privileges. 

[crazy canuck]

Why do you say the Catholic Church talks about being "unchanging"?

I meant on the big doctrine stuff.

But that is the point isnt it?  On the big doctrine stuff the Catholics have remained constant while they have adopted quite well to the modern world.  Unlike some other Christians who reject things like evolution and who think humans lived with dinosaurs for example.

[CountDeMoney]

It's a centralized corporate model all the independent franchises are lacking.

[crazy canuck]

It's a centralized corporate model all the independent franchises are lacking.

[alfred russel]

Why do you say the Catholic Church talks about being "unchanging"?

I meant on the big doctrine stuff.

But that is the point isnt it?  On the big doctrine stuff the Catholics have remained constant while they have adopted quite well to the modern world.  Unlike some other Christians who reject things like evolution and who think humans lived with dinosaurs for example.

The problem here is that Viking is taking one of the "big doctrine unchanging items" -- the views toward which parts of old testament law apply, and saying it is proof the church is flexible to change.

[dps]

As a non-Catholic Christian, I'm still waiting for Viking to tell me which 9 commandments I believe in.

Can I guess which denomination?

Lutheran.

Was that actually a serious guess?  'Cause I've actually mentioned in the past what denomination I belong to, and it isn't Lutheran.

[derspiess]

As a non-Catholic Christian, I'm still waiting for Viking to tell me which 9 commandments I believe in.

Obviously Baptist.

[Ed Anger]

As a non-Catholic Christian, I'm still waiting for Viking to tell me which 9 commandments I believe in.

Can I guess which denomination?

Lutheran.

Was that actually a serious guess?  'Cause I've actually mentioned in the past what denomination I belong to, and it isn't Lutheran.

Am I ever that serious?

[dps]

As a non-Catholic Christian, I'm still waiting for Viking to tell me which 9 commandments I believe in.

Can I guess which denomination?

Lutheran.

Was that actually a serious guess?  'Cause I've actually mentioned in the past what denomination I belong to, and it isn't Lutheran.

Am I ever that serious?

Not that I can recall, but I don't always read every thread, so there may be stuff I've missed.

And no, derspiess, I'm not Baptist, and I have no idea if you were being serious, either.

[Ed Anger]

Gnostic.

[derspiess]

Pentecostal then.

[garbon]

Methodist!