So, is this rape?

[garbon]

Explicit consent could be non-verbal. 

That strikes me as then it becomes a little less bright line, a little less explicit, no? I mean sure I guess there is something like actual insertion of penis into anal/vaginal orifice but then say blowjob doesn't mean consent to vaginal, or consent to vaginal doesn't mean consent to anal.

[Martinus]

I guess there is a point to be made about the "doer's" belief about consent being reasonable. For example, even if the midget wasn't in on the "joke", I guess one could argue that if you are shoved into a dark room and being told "there is a chick in there who wants you to fuck her, go wild", assuming consent is unreasonable.

[Martinus]

But in the same example, if after that he went in and asked if she wants to have sex with him and she said yes, he could be reasonably expected to believe she has consented to have sex with him - even if she was acting in error as to his identity.

[Norgy]

Explicit consent could be non-verbal. 

That strikes me as then it becomes a little less bright line, a little less explicit, no? I mean sure I guess there is something like actual insertion of penis into anal/vaginal orifice but then say blowjob doesn't mean consent to vaginal, or consent to vaginal doesn't mean consent to anal.

Relevant points, I agree. It's sort of difficult to have non-consentual oral sex, I suppose.

So how to define consent (you have to forgive me for using explicit, as I am probably unaware of its legal ramifications in the English language) remains the line between rape and a shag.

One of my exes fought a long legal battle against what she was pretty clear on was rape, and the perpetrator was certain was just sex when drunk and drugged out of their skulls. However, she was asleep. Hard to consent when you are asleep. Those rapes really are the ones most under-reported, and I imagine that could be the case in the gay community too?

So I suppose in the end "explicit" boils down to being somewhat conscious and willing at the time.

[sbr]

I guess there is a point to be made about the "doer's" belief about consent being reasonable. For example, even if the midget wasn't in on the "joke", I guess one could argue that if you are shoved into a dark room and being told "there is a chick in there who wants you to fuck her, go wild", assuming consent is unreasonable.

Did you mean to say it is not unreasonable?

[The Brain]

Is this rape - is this rape - is this rape - is this rape that I'm feeling?

[The Brain]

FWIW I think that a celebrity impersonator who has sex while "undercover" isn't a rapist in a sense that does justice to rape rape.

[garbon]

I guess there is a point to be made about the "doer's" belief about consent being reasonable. For example, even if the midget wasn't in on the "joke", I guess one could argue that if you are shoved into a dark room and being told "there is a chick in there who wants you to fuck her, go wild", assuming consent is unreasonable.

Did you mean to say it is not unreasonable?

I think it'd be somewhat unreasonable to assume that the girl was consenting because some third party told you.

[Admiral Yi]

Consent was implied by her willingness to give the bus driver a smoker.

[garbon]

Consent was implied by her willingness to give the bus driver a smoker.

She consented to participating in sexual acts with two people so she consented to sexual acts with anyone who happens to be around?

[HVC]

How does it take several minutes to realize you're fucking a midget?

[Sheilbh]

Agreeing with Garbo.

[Martinus]

I guess there is a point to be made about the "doer's" belief about consent being reasonable. For example, even if the midget wasn't in on the "joke", I guess one could argue that if you are shoved into a dark room and being told "there is a chick in there who wants you to fuck her, go wild", assuming consent is unreasonable.

Did you mean to say it is not unreasonable?

I think it'd be somewhat unreasonable to assume that the girl was consenting because some third party told you.

Exactly.

[Martinus]

Consent was implied by her willingness to give the bus driver a smoker.

She consented to participating in sexual acts with two people so she consented to sexual acts with anyone who happens to be around?

Yeah, by this reasoning if a slut wants to have sex with a guy, she is also consenting to have sex with his gang bang buddies. I don't buy Yi's reasoning.

[Martinus]

How does it take several minutes to realize you're fucking a midget?

If Game of Throne taught us anything, midgets are cunning linguists.