Revolution a distant memory as Egypt escalates repression

[Razgovory]

If you hate the communist government in China so much, then go to Tian An Men yourself and protest against it.  Stop trying to tell me to do it, because I am not interested

That wasn't exactly an answer to my question.  I'm quite confident that the PRC will fall.  Probably sooner then North Korea's will.  When a country goes through transition, like say increasing the standard of living for the average Joe it tends to lead to disruption and eventual collapse.  I imagine you'll see it in your life time.  I don't hate the communist government, if I did I would be like Seedy or Ide, and want my government to intervene.

[Monoriu]

If you hate the communist government in China so much, then go to Tian An Men yourself and protest against it.  Stop trying to tell me to do it, because I am not interested

That wasn't exactly an answer to my question.  I'm quite confident that the PRC will fall.  Probably sooner then North Korea's will.  When a country goes through transition, like say increasing the standard of living for the average Joe it tends to lead to disruption and eventual collapse.  I imagine you'll see it in your life time.  I don't hate the communist government, if I did I would be like Seedy or Ide, and want my government to intervene.

/shrug.  People have been predicting the fall of the PRC since the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, the death of Mao, and Tian An Men.  Hasn't happened yet.  Meanwhile, we still need to make a living.  Not sure how your theory makes any difference to me.  So I should prepare for this...event that may or may not happen in the next 30 years by doing what? 

[DGuller]

Mono can you name a dictatorship that exists in the present with its current government, that is older then a 100 years old?

If you hate the communist government in China so much, then go to Tian An Men yourself and protest against it.  Stop trying to tell me to do it, because I am not interested

You are, deliberately I'm absolutely sure, conflating two different things.  No one says you should be revolting against the Communist Party.  We're just saying that cheering on the suppression of people far braver than you are, and being gleeful that they're going to pay the price for it, is so pathetic that words don't even exist to adequately describe it.

Go ahead, misrepresent what I just said yet again, we all know you want to do it.

[Ed Anger]

Lighten up Francis.

[Monoriu]

Mono can you name a dictatorship that exists in the present with its current government, that is older then a 100 years old?

If you hate the communist government in China so much, then go to Tian An Men yourself and protest against it.  Stop trying to tell me to do it, because I am not interested

You are, deliberately I'm absolutely sure, conflating two different things.  No one says you should be revolting against the Communist Party.  We're just saying that cheering on the suppression of people far braver than you are, and being gleeful that they're going to pay the price for it, is so pathetic that words don't even exist to adequately describe it.

Go ahead, misrepresent what I just said yet again, we all know you want to do it.

It is wrong to block roads illegally, and I am glad that the criminals who did it will be punished.  Just like how I am glad that the people who robbed banks will go to jail.  As simple as that. 

[DGuller]

It is wrong to block roads illegally, and I am glad that the criminals who did it will be punished.  Just like how I am glad that the people who robbed banks will go to jail.  As simple as that.

We both know that civil disobedience is not as simple as that.  Black people in the South who sat at the front of the bus broke the law as well. 

Eh, forget it, you'll just keep insulting my intelligence if I attempt to engage in a discussion with you.

[MadImmortalMan]

We both know that civil disobedience is not as simple as that.  Black people in the South who sat at the front of the bus broke the law as well. 

Right, it's not about breaking the law when the law is shit. It's about hurting innocent bystanders. Sitting in the front of the bus hurts nobody.

[garbon]

We both know that civil disobedience is not as simple as that.  Black people in the South who sat at the front of the bus broke the law as well. 

Right, it's not about breaking the law when the law is shit. It's about hurting innocent bystanders. Sitting in the front of the bus hurts nobody.

You've said this several times but I think that stance is bullshit. Sometimes innocent bystanders must be inconvenienced - particularly if their apathy and attempts to "sit this one out" are what help the oppressive conditions to continue.

[Admiral Yi]

We both know that civil disobedience is not as simple as that.  Black people in the South who sat at the front of the bus broke the law as well. 

Eh, forget it, you'll just keep insulting my intelligence if I attempt to engage in a discussion with you.

You might be confusing the bus boycott and lunch counter sit ins.

We've been over this issue before.  In both those cases mentioned above blacks targeted the laws they felt were unjust.  Presumably the protesters in Hong Kong aren't expressing their disaproval of laws about blocking traffic and pedestrian walkways.

[Ideologue]

If you hate the communist government in China so much, then go to Tian An Men yourself and protest against it.  Stop trying to tell me to do it, because I am not interested

That wasn't exactly an answer to my question.  I'm quite confident that the PRC will fall.  Probably sooner then North Korea's will.  When a country goes through transition, like say increasing the standard of living for the average Joe it tends to lead to disruption and eventual collapse.  I imagine you'll see it in your life time.  I don't hate the communist government, if I did I would be like Seedy or Ide, and want my government to intervene.

All I want is us to stop trading with slave states.  When they enact a minimum wage, then the PRC can join the community of non-shitty nations.  Currently occupied by Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, who long ago ran out of things to talk about.

[MadImmortalMan]

Right, it's not about breaking the law when the law is shit. It's about hurting innocent bystanders. Sitting in the front of the bus hurts nobody.

You've said this several times but I think that stance is bullshit. Sometimes innocent bystanders must be inconvenienced - particularly if their apathy and attempts to "sit this one out" are what help the oppressive conditions to continue.

Sometimes the weak must be punished for the sins of the powerful. 

[Admiral Yi]

All I want is us to stop trading with slave states.  When they enact a minimum wage, then the PRC can join the community of non-shitty nations.  Currently occupied by Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, who long ago ran out of things to talk about.

By this definition Germany is a slave state.

[Monoriu]

We both know that civil disobedience is not as simple as that.  Black people in the South who sat at the front of the bus broke the law as well. 

Right, it's not about breaking the law when the law is shit. It's about hurting innocent bystanders. Sitting in the front of the bus hurts nobody.

You've said this several times but I think that stance is bullshit. Sometimes innocent bystanders must be inconvenienced - particularly if their apathy and attempts to "sit this one out" are what help the oppressive conditions to continue.

Sure.  You know what, by blocking major crossroads for over 70 days, the rioters have successfully improved the popularity of the HK government, and decreased their own ratings.  Close to two million out of a population of seven million have signed petitions to get the roads back.  People are rightly pissed off about their antics 

[frunk]

You might be confusing the bus boycott and lunch counter sit ins.

We've been over this issue before.  In both those cases mentioned above blacks targeted the laws they felt were unjust.  Presumably the protesters in Hong Kong aren't expressing their disaproval of laws about blocking traffic and pedestrian walkways.

How, exactly, do you target the lack of democracy?  Elect your own governing body that no one will listen to?

[Monoriu]

All I want is us to stop trading with slave states.  When they enact a minimum wage, then the PRC can join the community of non-shitty nations.  Currently occupied by Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, who long ago ran out of things to talk about.

China has minimum wage 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_in_People%27s_Republic_of_China