Jesus H. LeMay Christ: USAF restricts F16s from engaging modern opponents

[The Brain]

The armor of the T-54 was superior to the A1M1 though.

[Admiral Yi]

I knew Jordan had M48s but didn't know Israel did.  I thought it was all Centurions, M60s, and Ishermans.

[CountDeMoney]

The Israelis has M48s and wound up souping them up into a bunch of variants, as well as the Patturion, which was the Centurion chassis with the M-48 drivetrain and lifting the 105mm cannon from the M60 (or was it M48)?

[Admiral Yi]

Well you know what they say: Jews are very good with machinery.

[Viking]

The Israelis has M48s and wound up souping them up into a bunch of variants, as well as the Patturion, which was the Centurion chassis with the M-48 drivetrain and lifting the 105mm cannon from the M60 (or was it M48)?

They actually mounted the L7 105 mm gun of the Leopard 1, M60 and M1 (early versions) on the M-48. They were operating with alot of scrap metal they had to made work when, especially after the french and british abandoned them in the decade after 1956.

[CountDeMoney]

Couldn't remember, I know the L7 was on a variety of models back in the day.

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

I don't think the M60s performed that well, the M60 battalion that got to the Bar Lev line, ended the day consisting of two tanks, mainly anti-tank missiles and guns responsible, but big high silhouette tanks were a real disadvantage. 
I'd say the T62 was possible a next generation on from the M60 or Centurion(which nearly made it into WW2 combat).

The T-62 was a cheap shit tank designed to be such.  It wasn't newer than the M-60 anyway.  The T-54 was definitely behind the M-60 and by that time had been replaced in front line Soviet battalions by the T-64, which was never exported.

dude, the armored corp did not had M60s during the Arab Wars.

Mongers made the statement, "I'd say the T62 was possible a next generation on from the M60".  I was refuting that statement.  I don't care and it doesn't matter what the Israeli army actually had.

[Siege]

I don't think the M60s performed that well, the M60 battalion that got to the Bar Lev line, ended the day consisting of two tanks, mainly anti-tank missiles and guns responsible, but big high silhouette tanks were a real disadvantage. 
I'd say the T62 was possible a next generation on from the M60 or Centurion(which nearly made it into WW2 combat).

The T-62 was a cheap shit tank designed to be such.  It wasn't newer than the M-60 anyway.  The T-54 was definitely behind the M-60 and by that time had been replaced in front line Soviet battalions by the T-64, which was never exported.

dude, the armored corp did not had M60s during the Arab Wars.

Mongers made the statement, "I'd say the T62 was possible a next generation on from the M60".  I was refuting that statement.  I don't care and it doesn't matter what the Israeli army actually had.

Well, fuck you!!11

[11B4V]

The Centurion and M60 were a generation behind the T54 and T62?  The Phantom and Mirage were a generation behind the MiG23?

My dear, the M48 was still the workhorse of the 7th Armored Brigade during the Six Days Crap and The Yom Kippur Crash.
Ok, upgraded to Israeli stndards with the 90mm main gun.
Still behind the T54.

Wrong, Sho't's during the '73 Golan shindig. 

[11B4V]

I don't think the M60s performed that well, the M60 battalion that got to the Bar Lev line, ended the day consisting of two tanks, mainly anti-tank missiles and guns responsible, but big high silhouette tanks were a real disadvantage. 
I'd say the T62 was possible a next generation on from the M60 or Centurion(which nearly made it into WW2 combat).

The T-62 was a cheap shit tank designed to be such.  It wasn't newer than the M-60 anyway.  The T-54 was definitely behind the M-60 and by that time had been replaced in front line Soviet battalions by the T-64, which was never exported.

dude, the armored corp did not had M60s during the Arab Wars.

Wrong again

[11B4V]

The Centurion and M60 were a generation behind the T54 and T62?  The Phantom and Mirage were a generation behind the MiG23?

I don't think the M60s performed that well, the M60 battalion that got to the Bar Lev line, ended the day consisting of two tanks, mainly anti-tank missiles and guns responsible, but big high silhouette tanks were a real disadvantage. 
I'd say the T62 was possible a next generation on from the M60 or Centurion(which nearly made it into WW2 combat).

Had nothing to do with how well the "Tank" performed. More to do with the tactics, or lack of, against ATGM's.

[11B4V]

The Israelis has M48s and wound up souping them up into a bunch of variants, as well as the Patturion, which was the Centurion chassis with the M-48 drivetrain and lifting the 105mm cannon from the M60 (or was it M48)?

What?

[CountDeMoney]

Check your AH's Arab Israeli Wars counter manifest.   

[Razgovory]

The problem with Soviet tanks is they had Soviet trained crews and were designed for people who were trained in Soviet methods.  A barely literate peasant can crew a T-54/54 which makes them attractive to countries with lots of barely literate peasants.  The downside is tend to lose lots of these barely literate peasants in battle.  For what the Soviets originally designed them for, nuclear war in Europe this might not be a big disadvantage.  If both sides were expected to take a lot of losses the side the could replace them the fastest might win.

[11B4V]

Check your AH's Arab Israeli Wars counter manifest.