Porn induced erectile dysfunction

[garbon]

Most of the exciting stuff we see in videos is not what we are likely to actually do - for example, action movie heroics.

Other stuff is stuff that we are later *taught* to do - for example, driving a car. If you do it badly, you will get instant feedback from experts (or, in extreme cases, the police.  ).

Fair enough. I'll agree that sex is something that we never really get learned feedback on - well apart from I guess chatting with friends.

I can't immediately think of any other activity which is like sex - something many people do completely privately, often with people who are just as naive as they are, are not taught to do, and unlikely to get truly honest feedback on.

So are you saying that there is greater damage being done from some unrealistic scenes in a porno that make having them available worse than if naive individuals were just fumbling about? What is it that pornos teach that is so wrong? I saw in this thread some lack of consent stuff but I think as a society we put out pretty strong message about consent. Hell we put out pretty strong messages about consent.

Also foreplay objection seems a little odd in that, I don't think it takes a genius to try it out and be like oh, I like that. I can't speak to straight vids, but I know it is featured in a fair amount of gay vids.

[garbon]

Another thing I meant to mention a while back is that the ED isn't thought to be porn.induced as masturbation induced. (Researchers do differ somewhat.) Obviously if you're jerking.off 3 times a day, if you try to bang that night, problems may arise. Also, you train yourself to respond to an impossible, immediate-feedback handjob rather than the very different sensations provided by a (presumambly) non-telepathic partner. Making matters worse, many women are bad at sex, OR, more accurately, it often takes a practice round or two before sex is good with any given partner. Sadly, a lot.of folks don't understand that.

Oh, and there's also the purely.physiological keratinization of penile skin. But if circumcision is ok, I don't see the.objection to the lesser issue of jerking off a lot.

Dan Savage for years has advocated against the "death grip" form of masturbation.

[Malthus]

Well then maybe we should be more open about providing sex positive education to our kids / ending slut shaming. Btw, what you've described are issues that can and have impacted human sexual relations throughout time.  Do porno vids actually make that worse?

I agree more sex positive education would be a good thing, though I wonder if our society is really ready for significant 'how to' education - considering how serious the hang-ups over sex are, particularly where teens are involved. 

I do think porn has the potential to make existing problems worse. Take for example the apparently common hetero male hang-up over penis size. If you already worried about that, you would worry about it a lot more if every naked guy you actually saw hard (that is, in porn - where else would a hetero guy see other guys with hard-ons?) sported a 12 inch schlong, right?   

[MadImmortalMan]

(1) The aforementioned lack of foreplay is the most serious;

(2) Porn selects for male actors with very uncommonly large male genitals;

(3) Male porn actors can fuck for hours (which is both unrealistic and, if it occurred in real life, would not actually be pleasurable);

(4) Unrealistic, uncomfortable sexual positions designed to allow the camera maximum coverage.   

(5) All women are giant nymphos and want sex all the time, and desire nothing in return.

Hey now. Sex is a mutual exchange. It is it's own return. 

[Ideologue]

Btw, can we please start defining our terms? What ia foreplay? Some of you.people went to law school ffs.

Is it kissing/touching/oral sex, or do you have a more encompassing definition?

[Ideologue]

Another thing I meant to mention a while back is that the ED isn't thought to be porn.induced as masturbation induced. (Researchers do differ somewhat.) Obviously if you're jerking.off 3 times a day, if you try to bang that night, problems may arise. Also, you train yourself to respond to an impossible, immediate-feedback handjob rather than the very different sensations provided by a (presumambly) non-telepathic partner. Making matters worse, many women are bad at sex, OR, more accurately, it often takes a practice round or two before sex is good with any given partner. Sadly, a lot.of folks don't understand that.

Oh, and there's also the purely.physiological keratinization of penile skin. But if circumcision is ok, I don't see the.objection to the lesser issue of jerking off a lot.

Dan Savage for years has advocated against the "death grip" form of masturbation.

Indeed. Habits can be hard to break, however.

[Martinus]

This thread is a great example why people with non-adult kids should be declared temporarily insane and deprived of the right to vote until their kids reach adulthood.

When you talk about "what would young people do", people with no kids or with adult kids imagine younger themselves in the situation and think "Oh I did/I would manage".

People with non-adult kids imagine their kids in the situation and think "OMG OMG OMG MY LITTLE BILLY/CHARLIE/LISA/SUSAN NOOOOOOOO"

[garbon]

I agree more sex positive education would be a good thing, though I wonder if our society is really ready for significant 'how to' education - considering how serious the hang-ups over sex are, particularly where teens are involved. 

Oh agreed, we are not.

I do think porn has the potential to make existing problems worse. Take for example the apparently common hetero male hang-up over penis size. If you already worried about that, you would worry about it a lot more if every naked guy you actually saw hard (that is, in porn - where else would a hetero guy see other guys with hard-ons?) sported a 12 inch schlong, right?   

I don't know - I mean I am someone who grew up seeing large ones and did have the typical male (no need to qualify ) hangup of worrying about size. I don't think that actually led to any issues though - like I didn't avoid sex out of embarrassment or fail to perform because I thought I was secretly being judged. And I know I'm just talking about myself, but do we have evidence that said concern leading to one of those two actions is on the rise? Besides, by the same token, the internet makes it very easy to find out the average male penis size by race, country, you name it.

[Caliga]

People with non-adult kids imagine their kids in the situation and think "OMG OMG OMG MY LITTLE TYLER/ELSA/MACKENZIE/JACKSON NOOOOOOOO"

Corrected for 2014.

[Ideologue]

Plus the idea that all, most, or even more than 1% of porn features one in a million 12 inch dicks is a little exaggerated.

There's plenty of porn with average fellas, and if that's too much for.you, there's Japan. And I do.hope that isn't racist. :/

On a related note, porn teaches you about the clitoris, which is more important than dick size (generally) unless you're gay. In which case it's all dick size so you may as well get used to it.

[garbon]

In which case it's all dick size so you may as well get used to it.

[Ideologue]

[Malthus]

I agree more sex positive education would be a good thing, though I wonder if our society is really ready for significant 'how to' education - considering how serious the hang-ups over sex are, particularly where teens are involved. 

Oh agreed, we are not.

I do think porn has the potential to make existing problems worse. Take for example the apparently common hetero male hang-up over penis size. If you already worried about that, you would worry about it a lot more if every naked guy you actually saw hard (that is, in porn - where else would a hetero guy see other guys with hard-ons?) sported a 12 inch schlong, right?   

I don't know - I mean I am someone who grew up seeing large ones and did have the typical male (no need to qualify ) hangup of worrying about size. I don't think that actually led to any issues though - like I didn't avoid sex out of embarrassment or fail to perform because I thought I was secretly being judged. And I know I'm just talking about myself, but do we have evidence that said concern leading to one of those two actions is on the rise? Besides, by the same token, the internet makes it very easy to find out the average male penis size by race, country, you name it.

Well, the OP article claims that something called "porn induced erectile dysfunction" is on the rise, and also claims there are studies that show it - but I have not actually read any.

[sbr]

Another thing I meant to mention a while back is that the ED isn't thought to be porn.induced as masturbation induced. (Researchers do differ somewhat.) Obviously if you're jerking.off 3 times a day, if you try to bang that night, problems may arise. Also, you train yourself to respond to an impossible, immediate-feedback handjob rather than the very different sensations provided by a (presumambly) non-telepathic partner. Making matters worse, many women are bad at sex, OR, more accurately, it often takes a practice round or two before sex is good with any given partner. Sadly, a lot.of folks don't understand that.

Oh, and there's also the purely.physiological keratinization of penile skin. But if circumcision is ok, I don't see the.objection to the lesser issue of jerking off a lot.

What the hell is going on with your .  key?  You need to get that fixed.

[Ideologue]

The OP article is shit.journalism, tho. I guess it's an opinion piece, but let's face it: most people that hate any genre of film usually have a shallow understanding of it.

However, you'll note that I never say things like New Hollywood caused the AIDS epidemic, because I recognize my distaste has caused a blind spot.