Porn induced erectile dysfunction

[Malthus]

Malthus also would like characters in action movies to have to use the bathroom, I guess.

Also, depends on your definition of foreplay. It's compressed in time thru editing, like the sex itself, but is often (perhaps even typically?) present in ordinary girl boy scenes.

I think you are missing my point - I fully understand why porn makers tend not to include foreplay: they are making wanking material, not documentaries about human sexuality. 

The issue is that if teens are taking their cues about real-life sex from porn, they will be badly mislead.

To my mind it isn't that porn = mysogeny and violence against women, but far more the case that porn = a bad role model for an actual sexual experience, in many ways:

(1) The aforementioned lack of foreplay is the most serious;

(2) Porn selects for male actors with very uncommonly large male genitals;

(3) Male porn actors can fuck for hours (which is both unrealistic and, if it occurred in real life, would not actually be pleasurable);

(4) Unrealistic, uncomfortable sexual positions designed to allow the camera maximum coverage.   

Each of these makes perfect sense for the filmmakers, but none at all for people actually attempting to have sex.

The difference between this, and characters in action movies not going to the bathroom, is that kids already know they have to go to the bathroom - no-one is born knowing how to have satisfying sex; that has to be learned. Also, most folks will never have to actually perform the feats of action movie heroes, whereas (hopefully) they will eventually have sex. 

[garbon]

Kids are pretty fucking stupid if they think pornos are supposed to be instructional sex videos.

[Malthus]

Kids are pretty fucking stupid if they think pornos are supposed to be instructional sex videos.

It isn't so much that they would make a concious decision that pornos are instrictional sex videos, as that if this is the common image of sexuality they see, they may potentially take it as normative.

[Ideologue]

Mal, I agree with all you.just said, except for the unstated premise that young adults don't understand, or cannot understand, that porn is not a documentary or how-to manual in the strict or ethical sense or either term. That said, there is some aspirational bent to much pornography, some valuable, some (agreed) potentially damaging. Comparing oneself to the monsters of cock is an exercise in frustration.


Jake, I still need to find some time to reply to.you.

[Barrister]

Kids are pretty fucking stupid if they think pornos are supposed to be instructional sex videos.

Well see, that's the thing - kids are pretty fucking stupid.

[garbon]

Kids are pretty fucking stupid if they think pornos are supposed to be instructional sex videos.

Well see, that's the thing - kids are pretty fucking stupid.

I might not be the biggest fan of kids but I have more faith in them than that. After all, if you are exploring and try something that doesn't work, how long will they continue to try something that didn't work?

[MadImmortalMan]

The issue is that if teens are taking their cues about real-life sex from porn, they will be badly mislead.

I used to believe that. But now I don't think it's true. Porn and real life have come way closer together. The scifi outlandish stuff is still outlandish. The stuff you see at night on Showtime is tamer than what teenagers can expect on the whole.

[garbon]

Kids are pretty fucking stupid if they think pornos are supposed to be instructional sex videos.

It isn't so much that they would make a concious decision that pornos are instrictional sex videos, as that if this is the common image of sexuality they see, they may potentially take it as normative.

I'm not buying it. If it is something uncomfortable, I think though exploration they'd recognize that isn't something they should do. I don't know why they would continue to do something that they (or their sexual partners) don't like just because they saw it on a video. We see videos all the time, of all sorts of things, that aren't how things really are in real life.  What's so special or unique about a sexual video?

[Malthus]

Kids are pretty fucking stupid if they think pornos are supposed to be instructional sex videos.

Well see, that's the thing - kids are pretty fucking stupid.

I might not be the biggest fan of kids but I have more faith in them than that. After all, if you are exploring and try something that doesn't work, how long will they continue to try something that didn't work?

But people have insatisfying sex all the time. It would not necessarily be obvious to them what the source of unhappiness was - for example, a guy having unsatisfying sex with an equally naive woman may well blame his lack of size (apparently, a very common hang-up) rather than his lack of foreplay. 

[crazy canuck]

I'm not buying it. If it is something uncomfortable, I think though exploration they'd recognize that isn't something they should do. I don't know why they would continue to do something that they (or their sexual partners) don't like just because they saw it on a video. We see videos all the time, of all sorts of things, that aren't how things really are in real life.  What's so special or unique about a sexual video?

I recall BB saying that when porn became available over the internet the number of anal sexual assualts went up dramatically.  I am not sure how one can argue that the availability of porn hasnt had an effect on the way society as a whole understands sexuality and particularly those who have come of age during this period.

[Caliga]

(1) The aforementioned lack of foreplay is the most serious;

(2) Porn selects for male actors with very uncommonly large male genitals;

(3) Male porn actors can fuck for hours (which is both unrealistic and, if it occurred in real life, would not actually be pleasurable);

(4) Unrealistic, uncomfortable sexual positions designed to allow the camera maximum coverage.   

(5) All women are giant nymphos and want sex all the time, and desire nothing in return.

[garbon]

Kids are pretty fucking stupid if they think pornos are supposed to be instructional sex videos.

Well see, that's the thing - kids are pretty fucking stupid.

I might not be the biggest fan of kids but I have more faith in them than that. After all, if you are exploring and try something that doesn't work, how long will they continue to try something that didn't work?

But people have insatisfying sex all the time. It would not necessarily be obvious to them what the source of unhappiness was - for example, a guy having unsatisfying sex with an equally naive woman may well blame his lack of size (apparently, a very common hang-up) rather than his lack of foreplay. 

Well then maybe we should be more open about providing sex positive education to our kids / ending slut shaming. Btw, what you've described are issues that can and have impacted human sexual relations throughout time.  Do porno vids actually make that worse?

[Ideologue]

Another thing I meant to mention a while back is that the ED isn't thought to be porn.induced as masturbation induced. (Researchers do differ somewhat.) Obviously if you're jerking.off 3 times a day, if you try to bang that night, problems may arise. Also, you train yourself to respond to an impossible, immediate-feedback handjob rather than the very different sensations provided by a (presumambly) non-telepathic partner. Making matters worse, many women are bad at sex, OR, more accurately, it often takes a practice round or two before sex is good with any given partner. Sadly, a lot.of folks don't understand that.

Oh, and there's also the purely.physiological keratinization of penile skin. But if circumcision is ok, I don't see the.objection to the lesser issue of jerking off a lot.

[Malthus]

Kids are pretty fucking stupid if they think pornos are supposed to be instructional sex videos.

It isn't so much that they would make a concious decision that pornos are instrictional sex videos, as that if this is the common image of sexuality they see, they may potentially take it as normative.

I'm not buying it. If it is something uncomfortable, I think though exploration they'd recognize that isn't something they should do. I don't know why they would continue to do something that they (or their sexual partners) don't like just because they saw it on a video. We see videos all the time, of all sorts of things, that aren't how things really are in real life.  What's so special or unique about a sexual video?

Most of the exciting stuff we see in videos is not what we are likely to actually do - for example, action movie heroics.

Other stuff is stuff that we are later *taught* to do - for example, driving a car. If you do it badly, you will get instant feedback from experts (or, in extreme cases, the police.  ).

I can't immediately think of any other activity which is like sex - something many people do completely privately, often with people who are just as naive as they are, are not taught to do, and unlikely to get truly honest feedback on.

[garbon]

I'm not buying it. If it is something uncomfortable, I think though exploration they'd recognize that isn't something they should do. I don't know why they would continue to do something that they (or their sexual partners) don't like just because they saw it on a video. We see videos all the time, of all sorts of things, that aren't how things really are in real life.  What's so special or unique about a sexual video?

I recall BB saying that when porn became available over the internet the number of anal sexual assualts went up dramatically.  I am not sure how one can argue that the availability of porn hasnt had an effect on the way society as a whole understands sexuality and particularly those who have come of age during this period.

I don't think at all that I was trying to say it has no impact - but simply that I think that the negative impact is being overplayed, much like what happens anytime that we trying and look at the impact that media might have on our lives.

For myself, I would say that the internet helped me sort out any confusion I had about my sexuality at a much younger age - sparing me years of being uncertain with regards to what I like. It also helped me to block out garbage that I heard in school like how terrible anal sex is,