In space, no one can hear you nagging

[crazy canuck]

Ah, a line-by-line Berkut vs. grumbler debate. The staple of Languish.

I don't think intellectual debate is a staple of Languish at all.  I think your hysterical hyperbole, CC's ad homs, and The Brain's hilarious non sequiturs are more the staples here.

Are you happy you came back yet Marti?

[alfred russel]

As an aside, I've seen more press on the naked lady shirt than the spaceship on a comet. That has to say something about our priorities regarding the culture wars and science.

[MadImmortalMan]

Oh boy.


http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/hirsi-ali-slams-feminisms-trivial-bs/article/2556419

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a harsh critic of Islam's treatment of women, said Wednesday that modern American feminism is focused on "trivial bullshit" and needs to be reclaimed.

Speaking at the Independent Women's Forum Women of Valor dinner, where she received an award for courage, Hirsi Ali reminded her audience of how far feminism has strayed from its original purpose.





"I want you to remember that once upon a time, feminists fought for the access — basic right — access of girls to education," she said.

Hirsi Ali — who despite the harsh words she said, spoke softly, almost timidly — told the story of a fight between her mother and father when she was about 11 years old. Her mother wanted to take her and her sister out of school because education would lead them to rebel against their family and "bring shame upon us." Her father responded by saying, "If you take my girls out of school, I am going to curse you and you are going to burn in hell."

Taken out of context, Hirsi Ali said, one might side with her mother, but in reality, she said it was her father that allowed her to be educated and helped make her what she is today.

"That's what feminists used to fight for — the access for girls to education," Hirsi Ali said. "They used to fight for the recognition of girls as fellow human beings and recognition of their personal liberty."

She spoke of growing up in Somalia, where women aren't allowed to leave the house without asking permission from a male guardian and need to be accompanied by a male guardian.

"If something wrong were to happen to me, and where I come from that happened all the time — you were groped, you were harassed, you were raped — you had no recourse because you weren't supposed to be where you were," Hirsi Ali said. "You were married off as a child and you had to obey the person that you were married to, it was just your luck."

"Feminists in this country and in the West fought against that and won the battle," she added.

But now, Hirsi Ali said, feminism has taken that victory and squandered it.

"What we are now doing with the victory, and I agree with you if you condemn that and I condemn whole-heartedly the trivial bullshit it is to go after a man who makes a scientific breakthrough and all that we as women — organized women — do is to fret about his shirt?" Hirsi Ali said, referring to the controversy generated by the shirt featuring cartoons of scantily-clad women worn by the scientist who helped land a robot on a comet. "We must reclaim and retake feminism from our fellow idiotic women."

But, Hirsi Ali said, we should not throw away feminism, because that would be like throwing away the civil rights movement. Instead, feminism needs to fight the real war on women: Radical Islam and other parts of the world where women don't even have the right to an education or to leave their home without a male guardian.

[Tamas]

She is right. Guy is still a douche though 

[Ideologue]

As an aside, I've seen more press on the naked lady shirt than the spaceship on a comet. That has to say something about our priorities regarding the culture wars and science.

If a STEM graduate falls in the forest without achieving anything marketable, can you still calculate the trajectory of his collapse?

[Ideologue]

Oh, and the Somali lady isn't necessarily correct.  I mean, if you took an Auschwitz inmate and threw him into the modern liberal democratic state, he'd probably have nothing but unkind words to say about wrangles over the minimum wage.  Source: Vladek Spiegelman, famous Holocaust survivor, father of Art Spiegelman, total jackass.

I think she may be correct in this instance.