Brazil Divorcing the American Controlled Internet

[Jacob]

Conclusively.  I'd like to know with a high degree of certainty.

Well, I expect that spying on the emails and private conversations of top level government officials is one of them, but for conclusive word on what you supposedly did to trigger this response you'll probably have to ask the Brazilian government.

[Razgovory]

Spying on low level government officials is a poor use of assets.  Nobody cares what the guy who stamps boat licenses thinks.

[alfred russel]

Crazy thought here: how about not breaking a gazillions laws, buttfucking everyone s privacy and generally pissing off everybody including your closest allies?

You can shit on the Brazilians and mock all you want but why wouldnt there be a response to clear acts of aggression like the NSAs/US gov?

Because it is Brazil.

[Admiral Yi]

Well, I expect that spying on the emails and private conversations of top level government officials is one of them, but for conclusive word on what you supposedly did to trigger this response you'll probably have to ask the Brazilian government.

I'm not just talking about Brazil.

[Zoupa]

Crazy thought here: how about not breaking a gazillions laws, buttfucking everyone s privacy and generally pissing off everybody including your closest allies?

Excellent point but this thread is not about the DGSE.

So clever!

Thank you for this garbonesque contribution.

[garbon]

Hey!

[garbon]

Americans exposed this you know.

Yeah, I'm aware. I have the impression that the Languish-Americans aggregate view of that exposure is pretty damn unfavourable though.

Much to my disgust.

[Valmy]

And thus why I do not really see the point of discussing it much around here.

[Barrister]

I'm still waiting for definitive word on what exactly it is we're doing.

Yi, there's been a lot of ink (both digital and real) spilled on this topic.  How is it you're unaware of this stuff?

Look - I'm generally supportive of what western security agencies are doing, but it's not out of ignorance of what they're doing, and I can understand why some countries (like Brazil) are rather upset about it. 

So really (and this isn't directed specifically at Yi) I think there's a lot more that can be discussed on the topic other than going "LULZ it's Brazil, they must just be stupid or corrupt".

[frunk]

Yeah, I'm aware. I have the impression that the Languish-Americans aggregate view of that exposure is pretty damn unfavourable though.

My opinion is that although there were some revelations made by the exposure, for the most part the domestic spying isn't surprising to anyone who paid attention to the Patriot Act (the fake outrage from the politicians over it is particularly stupid) and the foreign spying on allies has been going since WW II.  What is much more damaging is the fact that the leaker not only fled to the two most potentially dangerous countries, there's a decent possibility that the information leak has been driving the recent aggression of Russia.

If Snowden would have stayed in the US and revealed it here it would be a completely different story.  A whistle blower who takes secret information and flees to his country's enemies is also a traitor.

[Admiral Yi]

Yi, there's been a lot of ink (both digital and real) spilled on this topic.  How is it you're unaware of this stuff?

Of course I'm aware of it.  It's that I'm having trouble sifting through the allegations.

[The Minsky Moment]

Americans exposed this you know.

Yeah, I'm aware. I have the impression that the Languish-Americans aggregate view of that exposure is pretty damn unfavourable though.

There's exposure and then there is how the exposure is done.
The latter is concerning to me and yet it doesn't seem to bother some, thus leading to this strange alliance between Western civil libertarians and a newly-minted pet of Putin's Russia.

[Valmy]

thus leading to this strange alliance between Western civil libertarians and a newly-minted pet of Putin's Russia.

There is no such alliance.  The ones in Russia are super paranoid about the Russians spying on them.

[The Minsky Moment]

So clever!

Thank you for this garbonesque contribution.

Think of it as a public service announcement for the preservation of glass houses.

[The Minsky Moment]

Yeah, I'm aware. I have the impression that the Languish-Americans aggregate view of that exposure is pretty damn unfavourable though.

My opinion is that although there were some revelations made by the exposure, for the most part the domestic spying isn't surprising to anyone who paid attention to the Patriot Act (the fake outrage from the politicians over it is particularly stupid) and the foreign spying on allies has been going since WW II.  What is much more damaging is the fact that the leaker not only fled to the two most potentially dangerous countries, there's a decent possibility that the information leak has been driving the recent aggression of Russia.

If Snowden would have stayed in the US and revealed it here it would be a completely different story.  A whistle blower who takes secret information and flees to his country's enemies is also a traitor.

I think the connection between Snowden and the Ukraine aggression is strectching it, but otherwise agree.