Incest a 'fundamental right', German committee says

[Tamas]

Trust Marty to twist a discussion on incest laws into a case of homosexual superiority

[garbon]

Trust Marty to twist a discussion on incest laws into a case of homosexual superiority

[Sheilbh]

"Criminal law is not the appropriate means to preserve a social taboo."

Sure it is. Banning swastikas or hate speech for example.

[garbon]

"Criminal law is not the appropriate means to preserve a social taboo."

Sure it is. Banning swastikas or hate speech for example.

Incitement to commit a crime. Though I also don't really agree with banning swastikas, anyway.

[Zanza]

Incitement should be criminal. I don't think hate speech without incitement is illegal.

Banning swastikas doesn't make sense a liberal society. I can see why it is done from a pragmatic perspective, but I oppose it on principle.

That said, using a certain symbol for your political party is a right of lesser importance than the question with whom you may or may not have sex and children.

[Tamas]

Banning the swastika is silly.

[Razgovory]

Banning the swastika is silly.

No it's not.  We banned them in Germany for very good reasons.  It was for our sake not that of the Germans.  Admittedly, a resurgent Nazi party isn't likely to be a problem now.  I do wish someone had banned Soviet imagery in Russia back in 1991 though.

[Ideologue]

To elaborate, in the perfect system, incest should be rendered lawful, particularly in the circumstance of siblings raised apart, as there is less of a risk of an unhealthy power dynamic.  Perhaps other forms of adult incest could be decriminalized as well, since the pervasive surveillance will permit investigation into the propriety of the relationship.

But, of course, such lawful couplings should be subordinated to the overarching eugenics program.  So, should the need arise, they may have to submit to abortions or sterilization.  Lady's choice!

[crazy canuck]

But, of course, such lawful couplings should be subordinated to the overarching eugenics program.  So, should the need arise, they may have to submit to abortions or sterilization.  Lady's choice!

Banning the swastika is silly.

I am not so sure.

[Ideologue]

I'm not a fascist, I just understand liberty.

[Tamas]

Banning the swastika is silly.

No it's not.  We banned them in Germany for very good reasons.  It was for our sake not that of the Germans.  Admittedly, a resurgent Nazi party isn't likely to be a problem now.  I do wish someone had banned Soviet imagery in Russia back in 1991 though.

For 50 years it was verboten in Hungary to even be mildly lenient on the Hungarian regime of the ww2 era, let alone sporting a swastika. Yet the nazis started slowly but steadily coming out of the woodwork when free speech was introduced (mind you, swastika has been still banned). It just doesn't work.

[Razgovory]

I don't think you can compare Germany to Hungary in this situation.  West Germany has long had free speech, and East Germany has had it for 20 years.  They seem to be doing quite well.  Fascist and Nazi groups seem to do better in the wreckage of the Comecon then they do in the Industrialized west.

[Tamas]

I don't think you can compare Germany to Hungary in this situation.  West Germany has long had free speech, and East Germany has had it for 20 years.  They seem to be doing quite well.  Fascist and Nazi groups seem to do better in the wreckage of the Comecon then they do in the Industrialized west.

Is this arguing for or against the German ban on the swastika?

[Razgovory]

Against.  No rush though.  Perhaps we can review the issue in 2033.

[derspiess]

But, of course, such lawful couplings should be subordinated to the overarching eugenics program.  So, should the need arise, they may have to submit to abortions or sterilization.  Lady's choice!

Banning the swastika is silly.

I am not so sure.