Columbia student carrying mattress until school expels her rapist

Started by garbon, September 24, 2014, 08:47:39 AM

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Rasputin

Quote from: alfred russel on September 26, 2014, 10:20:39 AM
Quote from: Rasputin on September 26, 2014, 10:04:03 AM
jimbo can have a job for life so long as he goes at least 2 and ten every season as long as his two wins are against the gators and canes

In a lot of years, beating those two teams in the same season means almost by definition you are national championship caliber. These aren't those years.  :(

but those two victories would still taste just as sweet as the glory years
Who is John Galt?

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 26, 2014, 09:29:01 AM
I was chatting up an MFA at my karaoke, and within a minute of she had told me she was raped in Ghana while doing work with an NGO.

Big problem with that the last several years with NGOs and even the Peace Corp.  Doesnt help that most of the work being done is in shitholes.

Fun fact: 2/3rds of all Americans under the age of 25 traveling overseas for volunteer work are female.

Admiral Yi

For some reason I thought Ghana was not quite a shit hole.

CountDeMoney


derspiess

Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 26, 2014, 10:38:22 AM
For some reason I thought Ghana was not quite a shit hole.

I assume every place over there is until I see definitive proof.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Martinus

Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 10:42:55 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 26, 2014, 10:38:22 AM
For some reason I thought Ghana was not quite a shit hole.

I assume every place over there is until I see definitive proof.

Yeah. Same here.

garbon

One of the rape activists at Columbia (who said she was raped while at Columbia and then also again at some DNC event in NC) says that when she first told her mothers about being raped they said this happened while you were in Argentina, didn't it? "You've always been too adventurous." She was like no it happened here but even if it happened in Argentina, [the rape] wouldn't be my fault for going to Argentina.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2014, 10:42:18 AM
And what reason would that be?

i remember some discussion years back about Ghana being an economic success story.

And I don't think they've ever had armies of children hacking off limbs.

CountDeMoney



Jacob

Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2014, 09:02:52 AMI'm not taking her current 'turning this into a positive' as proof she is lying; I'm taking it as proof she does not have the cultural attitute, found in many men and women, that exposing her victimhood to the public puts her under a stigma and so is to be avoided - the very point of data BB was alluding to when he said that, as a generality, he believes rape accusations. 

She's the same person then as now, so it is a reasonable, allbeit rebuttable, assumption that her attitudes towards such issues are reasonably consistent. Proposing otherwise I think requires something in the way of proof.

"Cultural attitude"? I'm not sure what you mean by this?

She didn't want to pursue it when faced with a bunch of abrasive people proceeding from the assumption that she was lying. She figured there wasn't going to be any results, and they were making her feel more miserable, so she backed down.

Later, when learning that she wasn't alone, she decided she shouldn't be silent and she decided she wanted to deal with it by taking a stand on her terms.

That seems perfectly normal to me.

It has nothing to do with "cultural attitudes" and nothing to do with fearing stigma, it has to do with not wanting to be made to feel like shit and backing down, and then later figuring out that the best way to not feel like shit is to confront the issue.

Jacob

Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2014, 09:09:49 AM
That's a pretty obviously self-serving statement to explain why she waited so long to make the complaint. Again, rather inconsistent with her stated beliefs and behavours.

It's obvious, perhaps, if you start from the assumption that she's lying.

derspiess

Quote from: Jacob on September 26, 2014, 11:23:21 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2014, 09:09:49 AM
That's a pretty obviously self-serving statement to explain why she waited so long to make the complaint. Again, rather inconsistent with her stated beliefs and behavours.

It's obvious, perhaps, if you start from the assumption that she's lying.

Do you assume guilt of everyone accused of a crime?  Or do you just make an exception for alleged rape cases?
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Jacob

Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 11:35:38 AMDo you assume guilt of everyone accused of a crime?  Or do you just make an exception for alleged rape cases?

:huh: