The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

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garbon

#2415
June 02, 2016, 09:10:37 AM
I'm glad they didn't kill me when I was walking the streets of West Palm Beach earlier this year.
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Berkut

#2416
June 02, 2016, 09:19:13 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 02, 2016, 09:10:37 AM
I'm glad they didn't kill me when I was walking the streets of West Palm Beach earlier this year.

You are lucky they are so polite.
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garbon

#2417
June 02, 2016, 09:34:16 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 02, 2016, 09:19:13 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 02, 2016, 09:10:37 AM
I'm glad they didn't kill me when I was walking the streets of West Palm Beach earlier this year.

You are lucky they are so polite.

I wasn't luck that I was sent to Florida. :(
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Malthus

#2418
June 02, 2016, 10:00:02 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 02, 2016, 09:06:31 AM
It's Florida. They have laws that state that you are allowed to shoot people as long as you feel threatened, even if you could just walk away.

I don't see how this could possibly be a crime. It is the inevitable result of the "polite, armed society". If the other guy is likely to have a gun, and you have a gun, then whoever draws and shoots first wins. You can't wait until he *proves* he has a gun, that will result in you being the dead one. Clearly that is the mistake the "victim" made in this case.

Reminds me of Robbie Burns' song:

QuoteWhat is right and what is wrong
By the law, by the law?
What is right and what is wrong by the law?
What is right and what is wrong,
A short sword and a long!
A weak arm and a strong
For to draw.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

DGuller

#2419
June 07, 2016, 05:48:56 PM
Another pretty disgusting story:  https://theintercept.com/2016/06/07/tased-in-the-chest-for-23-seconds-dead-for-8-minutes-now-facing-a-lifetime-of-recovery/.  And I think we all know how the cover-up would've turned out if the kid wasn't the son of another cop.

I think such stories will continue to happen if there is no risk of prison time for those engaged in cover-up or post-incident harassment.

Habbaku

#2420
June 10, 2016, 01:09:07 PM
Full dash-cam video of the Runnels story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/timothy-runnels-bryce-masters-taser_us_57571f6de4b07823f95188c9

The officer was fired and given 4 years in federal prison.
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CountDeMoney

#2421
June 10, 2016, 01:24:13 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 07, 2016, 05:48:56 PMAnd I think we all know how the cover-up would've turned out if the kid wasn't the son of another cop.

CountDeMoney

#2422
June 10, 2016, 01:25:02 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on June 10, 2016, 01:09:07 PM
The officer was fired and given 4 years in federal prison.

Should've gone to Stanford.

11B4V

#2423
June 11, 2016, 05:06:31 PM
Quote

States crack down on government cash grabs


States across the country are revising laws that allow police to seize a person's cash and property without a conviction, following widespread complaints about agencies profiteering off such legislation, holdovers from the "Miami Vice" cocaine era.


Right now, 47 of the 50 states allow so-called civil asset forfeitures, with New Hampshire set to effectively end such practices, which allow property and currency to be seized even if it's only suspected of being connected to a crime.

The changes in New Hampshire and elsewhere follow numerous, high-profile cases in which Americans have had their cash and other assets seized by state- and local-level police agencies without being convicted and of police departments appearing to aggressively pursue such cases to fill their coffers.

Among them is the 2013 case in which motorist Straughn Gorman had $167,000 in cash seized by the Nevada state police, which suspected him of transporting drugs but only issued him traffic tickets.

In another highly-publicized case, a small-town Mississippi police department built a $4.1 million training facility and bought a fleet of new police cruisers from such forfeitures.

The New Hampshire legislation, which Democratic Gov. Maggie Hassen has vowed to sign, would essentially require prosecutors trying to keep assets to first get a conviction, with few exceptions including a defendant's death.

And it would require them to present stronger cases and harder evidence -- phased in the bill as "clear and compelling" evidence.

"I look forward to signing this bipartisan bill that ... maintains drug forfeiture funds," Hassen said last week.

However, New Hampshire is still involved in a federal program in which state or local police can transfer seized assets to the U.S. government, then get back a percentage of the haul.

The Justice Department recently stopped a program that such agencies appeared to be using to side-step state forfeiture laws and get back a heft percentage.

However, the department still has its "Equitable Sharing Program" in which agencies assisting the federal government in criminal cases can share in some of the seized assets, the agency said Wednesday.

Maryland, New Mexico and Nebraska have purportedly restricted their law enforcement agencies from participating in the federal program.

"New Hampshire would be wise to follow that lead," Jason Snead, a Heritage Foundation policy analyst, recently told The Daily Signal. "Until it does, the impact of (its bill) is likely to be seriously blunted by law enforcement agencies that have every incentive to circumvent the new law and little compunction about doing so."

North Carolina, New Mexico and Nebraska (once its law takes effect) are the only three states with no state forfeiture provision. 

Michigan, Montana, New Mexico and Florida have recently revised their civil asset forfeiture laws.

In Florida, GOP Gov. Rick Scott recently signed a bipartisan bill that takes effect in July and will requires law enforcement agencies to arrest suspects before seizing their property under civil asset forfeiture laws.

In addition, the agencies will have to pay thousands in filing fees and bond postings should the owner be found not guilty. The law also makes recovering the property and related legal fees easier for the owner.

Cash can still be taken in Florida without an arrest but cannot be kept unless agencies prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that it was connected to a crime


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/11/states-crack-down-on-government-cash-grabs.html
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Valmy

#2424
June 12, 2016, 03:13:26 PM
Another wonderful legacy of the drug war.
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11B4V

#2425
June 12, 2016, 03:14:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2016, 03:13:26 PM
Another wonderful legacy of the drug war.

I'm glad the state's are at least trying
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Valmy

#2426
June 12, 2016, 04:01:37 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 12, 2016, 03:14:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2016, 03:13:26 PM
Another wonderful legacy of the drug war.

I'm glad the state's are at least trying

Why is it that once the Feds decide on a stupid policy it is almost impossible to change it? No matter how innocuous and uncontroversial changing it would be? It never fails to baffle me.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Habbaku

#2427
June 12, 2016, 04:37:05 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 10, 2016, 01:25:02 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on June 10, 2016, 01:09:07 PM
The officer was fired and given 4 years in federal prison.

Should've gone to Stanford.

:yes:
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

celedhring

#2429
July 06, 2016, 07:54:42 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2016, 04:01:37 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 12, 2016, 03:14:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2016, 03:13:26 PM
Another wonderful legacy of the drug war.

I'm glad the state's are at least trying

Why is it that once the Feds decide on a stupid policy it is almost impossible to change it? No matter how innocuous and uncontroversial changing it would be? It never fails to baffle me.

Well, it seems that it wouldn't be innocuous for several police departments and agencies throughout. Which is probably one of the reasons it's not being repealed
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