The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[DGuller]

I hope this isn't going to backfire on Bubba Wallace and make it sound like it was a hoax.  It wasn't him who saw it and reported it, and I'm sure that whoever did was doing it with the best of intentions.  Rushing to the conclusion was unfortunate, but I guess it was unavoidable, because NASCAR couldn't keep this quiet while they investigated, that just wouldn't fly.  Good thing that Mike Skinner's imbecile son spoke up when he did, to show that while the noose was a misunderstanding, the racism everyone thought of was present and real regardless.

[derspiess]

Apparently took 15 FBI investigators to figure that out. Glad it wasn't what some thought it was.

Apparently, I don't know how many FBI investigators I should have expected it to take, given that you seem to think that 15 was either much too large a number, or much too small a number.  What range of numbers would not have prompted you to post about the numbers at all, and why is 15 a noteworthy number?

Dunno, man. I just think maybe people at the facility would have identified it as the pull rope common to those sliding garage doors instead of a noose.

[The Brain]

A bit weird that it got identified (by someone) as a noose, but of course unlikely stuff happens all the time and my guess is that it was an honest mistake.

My guess is that quite a few NASCAR fans agree with the spirit of SKINNERs!! hateful message. Is my guess wrong?

[viper37]

Apparently took 15 FBI investigators to figure that out. Glad it wasn't what some thought it was.

Apparently, I don't know how many FBI investigators I should have expected it to take, given that you seem to think that 15 was either much too large a number, or much too small a number.  What range of numbers would not have prompted you to post about the numbers at all, and why is 15 a noteworthy number?

2 to take the deposition and inspect video cameras would have been sufficient.  I would think 15 agents is reserved for when a case needs to pursue a lot of leads in tracking down fugitive(s)/culprit(s).

[viper37]

Dunno, man. I just think maybe people at the facility would have identified it as the pull rope common to those sliding garage doors instead of a noose.

I suppose once someone saw and reported a noose, the stand was off limits to everyone else, and no one ever thought "oh, it might just be that pull rope we use".

Given the current climate, given that NASCAR probably received a lot of threats/hateful messages for forbidding the flag, everyone was on edge.

That would be my guess.

[Eddie Teach]

A bit weird that it got identified (by someone) as a noose, but of course unlikely stuff happens all the time and my guess is that it was an honest mistake.

My guess is that quite a few NASCAR fans agree with the spirit of SKINNERs!! hateful message. Is my guess wrong?

I'm sure that depends on how you define quite a few.

[The Brain]

A bit weird that it got identified (by someone) as a noose, but of course unlikely stuff happens all the time and my guess is that it was an honest mistake.

My guess is that quite a few NASCAR fans agree with the spirit of SKINNERs!! hateful message. Is my guess wrong?

I'm sure that depends on how you define quite a few.

For the sake of argument, say 20%?

[grumbler]

2 to take the deposition and inspect video cameras would have been sufficient.  I would think 15 agents is reserved for when a case needs to pursue a lot of leads in tracking down fugitive(s)/culprit(s).

So you, with your vast experience in investigations, would conclude that two was the right number and 15 would not be needed because this case didn't have lots of leads to track down?

Sure.  That's totally credible. 



NOT


I know all the Kool Kids love to sneer at law enforcement and pretend they could do better, but try not to let your ass show so much, mkay?

[Barrister]

Apparently took 15 FBI investigators to figure that out. Glad it wasn't what some thought it was.

Apparently, I don't know how many FBI investigators I should have expected it to take, given that you seem to think that 15 was either much too large a number, or much too small a number.  What range of numbers would not have prompted you to post about the numbers at all, and why is 15 a noteworthy number?

2 to take the deposition and inspect video cameras would have been sufficient.  I would think 15 agents is reserved for when a case needs to pursue a lot of leads in tracking down fugitive(s)/culprit(s).

When you get a real proper investigation (and not the random scribblings of some beat cop at the end of his shift), I would say 98% of the work is useless.  The problem is you don't know which 98% will wind up being useless until you actually do the work.

[The Larch]

No charges in noose case.

Yep.  It was there long before Wallace was assigned (last week) to that garage.  It's a loop that looks like a noose, but not a noose, and it's on the end of the garage door pull-down rope.

It's a pretty noose-looking loop, though. 

[Admiral Yi]

Dang.  Very noose looking.

[fromtia]

That is a bit.....noosey.

[merithyn]

No charges in noose case.

Yep.  It was there long before Wallace was assigned (last week) to that garage.  It's a loop that looks like a noose, but not a noose, and it's on the end of the garage door pull-down rope.

It's a pretty noose-looking loop, though. 

That's a noose. I don't care how "inadvertent" that is, it's a noose. I've used tons of ropes on garages, storage units, etc., and if there's a loop, it's a quickly tied loop.

I'm not saying that it was deliberately put there to intimidate Bubba, but I am saying that it's not ridiculous to see that and go, "WTF? A noose!"

[celedhring]

I guess it was designed with a view of using your neck to pull the door down?

[Admiral Yi]

I'm guessing someone was told to put a pull cord on the door, he knew how to make a noose (it's moderately complex) and did so as a gag.