The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

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Admiral Yi

#5445
June 20, 2020, 06:43:58 PM
Strange factoid from the Econ obit for George Floyd: he worked as a bouncer in a Mexican club alongside a white, off duty cop, the same one who killed him.

11B4V

#5446
June 20, 2020, 06:46:14 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 20, 2020, 06:43:58 PM
Strange factoid from the Econ obit for George Floyd: he worked as a bouncer in a Mexican club alongside a white, off duty cop, the same one who killed him.

Came out awhile ago. Welcome to the present... :P
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Admiral Yi

#5447
June 20, 2020, 06:49:51 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 20, 2020, 06:46:14 PM
Came out awhile ago. Welcome to the present... :P

Thanks!  :)

Tamas

#5448
June 20, 2020, 07:47:08 PM
Didn't hear of it before. Maybe he had some dirt on the cop,and that's why the cop took what seemed like an easy chance to kill a black guy in broad daylight?

grumbler

#5449
June 20, 2020, 08:35:06 PM
Quote from: Tamas on June 20, 2020, 07:47:08 PM
Didn't hear of it before. Maybe he had some dirt on the cop,and that's why the cop took what seemed like an easy chance to kill a black guy in broad daylight?

There's no evidence that they ever interacted in any but the most casual manner.  Floyd worked inside, and Chauvin outside.  Floyd was a regular Tuesday employee, and Chauvin just an occasional employee, so they'd not have worked the same nights often.

Chauvin had been working there for many years, but Floyd for only a few months, before Covid closed the place.  Not a lot of room for interaction.
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#5450
June 20, 2020, 08:49:57 PM
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Quote from: garbon on June 20, 2020, 03:56:30 AM
But it wasn't so that's where a negative legacy for him comes in.

How is that his fault though? Hayes was the guy who ended it.

I mean one might say he could have done a better job but does that deserve getting your statue defaced because you tried to do something good and failed?

First off, I doubt dead Grant can care about his statue. I also don't think 'deserves' really has a place when talking about what should or shouldn't happen with statues.

Lastly, I already said I agreed with BA that it is s a shame but was positing a reason for why someone could have a negative view of Grant. Given the amount of great man hype given by our culture to figures like Washington and Lincoln, seems a bit odd to think Grant would then just get a pass for what happened during his administration.
Grant is the only president between between Lincoln and LBJ to vigorously protect African American civil rights. He used the military to crush the Klan. He should be lauded for that. It's not his fault that Rutherford gave up on reconstruction, nor that Andrew Johnson sabotaged the effort before Grant became president.

If Grant should be criticized for anything, it's his Indian policy.
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11B4V

#5451
June 20, 2020, 08:54:08 PM
Maybe they didn't know who it was.
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Syt

#5452
June 20, 2020, 10:44:06 PM
Maybe I'm missing the point, but my impression is that a main difference between slavery in North America and enslavement of Hungarians by Ottomans is that one still has profound effects on the formerly enslaved today. At least I'm not aware of Hungarians currently living as sizable  disadvantaged minority in a Turkish dominated country. :unsure:
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Valmy

#5453
June 20, 2020, 10:47:14 PM
Quote from: Syt on June 20, 2020, 10:44:06 PM
Maybe I'm missing the point, but my impression is that a main difference between slavery in North America and enslavement of Hungarians by Ottomans is that one still has profound effects on the formerly enslaved today. At least I'm not aware of Hungarians currently living as sizable  disadvantaged minority in a Turkish dominated country. :unsure:

Of course. If black people had no problems in the US the whole slavery thing would largely just be a historical curiosity for nerds to talk about.

Having said that I am sure Hungarian Nationalists use that to show the world is against Hungary, it would probably still be used the same way.
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Syt

#5454
June 20, 2020, 10:48:09 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 20, 2020, 04:55:14 PM
By the way did anybody read the amazing article Syt posted earlier? I mean not to hijack the statue thread or anything.

Guess it was TL;DR and possibly too on topic. :P
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Valmy

#5455
June 20, 2020, 10:50:07 PM
Quote from: Syt on June 20, 2020, 10:48:09 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 20, 2020, 04:55:14 PM
By the way did anybody read the amazing article Syt posted earlier? I mean not to hijack the statue thread or anything.

Guess it was TL;DR and possibly too on topic. :P

It really made me annoyed. I actually read the whole thing and wanted to have a big discussion about it but we quickly just went on our way with the statues. Ah well. Next time the police screw up and people are hot about it I will repost it  :ph34r:
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Syt

#5456
June 20, 2020, 11:00:16 PM
If we still had active mods it would be awesome if they would split out the iconoclast and slavery discussions into separate threads, but alas ...
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PDH

#5457
June 20, 2020, 11:22:51 PM
Wait, are you guys talking about the provocative fart article?
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Valmy

#5458
June 21, 2020, 12:07:47 AM
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Eddie Teach

#5459
June 21, 2020, 01:41:08 AM
I dunno. The guy said he was a violent agent of white supremacy. Either that was true or not, but either way he doesn't sound reliable.  :hmm:
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