The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[garbon]

But it wasn't so that's where a negative legacy for him comes in.

How is that his fault though? Hayes was the guy who ended it.

I mean one might say he could have done a better job but does that deserve getting your statue defaced because you tried to do something good and failed?

First off, I doubt dead Grant can care about his statue. I also don't think 'deserves' really has a place when talking about what should or shouldn't happen with statues.

Lastly, I already said I agreed with BA that it is s a shame but was positing a reason for why someone could have a negative view of Grant. Given the amount of great man hype given by our culture to figures like Washington and Lincoln, seems a bit odd to think Grant would then just get a pass for what happened during his administration.

[Valmy]

I don't think Grant should get a pass. I thought you were providing an explanation why possibly it was justified even if you didn't necessarily think so.

Ok so what does have a place when discussing the defacement of public monuments? Surely a discussion about whether or not that action was justified is appropriate. Perhaps semantically deserving was not the right word.

[Admiral Yi]

Whether a statue deserves to be torn down/defaced is what separates a political statement from simple vandalism.

[PDH]

The battle between iconoclasts and iconodules is always a struggle to the death.

[FunkMonk]

I guess I can understand why some people feel the need to destroy a statue of U.S. Grant, but I can't say I feel the same.

But, uh, I thought maybe it would be neo-confederate racists who would do it.

[Tamas]

I guess I can understand why some people feel the need to destroy a statue of U.S. Grant, but I can't say I feel the same.

But, uh, I thought maybe it would be neo-confederate racists who would do it.

I don't think any more thought went into it than "we are now allowed to destroy statues of old dudes".

[11B4V]

I guess I can understand why some people feel the need to destroy a statue of U.S. Grant, but I can't say I feel the same.

But, uh, I thought maybe it would be neo-confederate racists who would do it.

I don't think any more thought went into it than "we are now allowed to destroy statues of old dudes".

 

[celedhring]

Media over here report that the Cervantes statue at Golden Park was vandalised too, which is kinda funny since you know, he was also enslaved himself 

[Duque de Bragança]

Media over here report that the Cervantes statue at Golden Park was vandalised too, which is kinda funny since you know, he was also enslaved himself 

Slavery or even slave trade by Muslims, does not count for the woke crowd.

[HisMajestyBOB]

If you see any statues of Muslim slavers, let us know.

[11B4V]

If you see any statues of Muslim slavers, let us know.

Only white slavers matter.

[HisMajestyBOB]

They're the only ones that have statues of them and are still an issue in our society.

When Nazis and fascists start rallying around statues of the Sultan of Zanzibar, I'll consider Muslim slavers a higher priority.

[Duque de Bragança]

They're the only ones that have statues of them and are still an issue in our society.

When Nazis and fascists start rallying around statues of the Sultan of Zanzibar, I'll consider Muslim slavers a higher priority.

Well, start by the infamous Leopold II. He did fight muslim slavers. 
Among other things...

[Valmy]

It doesn't have to be a high priority, just acknowledged when relevant. I don't think that is too much to ask.

[Oexmelin]

It doesn't have to be a high priority, just acknowledged when relevant. I don't think that is too much to ask.

It's very rarely relevant.