Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

[Jacob]

Russian aid convoy trucks "nearly empty": http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28799627

...almost as if the convoy was a pretext for something else.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

I'm shocked, shocked, that Americans think it's A-OK for a big bully nation to invade other countries, fuck them up and then cry foul when the victims fight back.

I'm shocked to see Europe resorting to ethno-tribal politics.

There is no good way to reconcile modern moral standards and ethnically-based countries.  It's hard for Americans to really appreciate that, since our country is a melting pot.  Most countries are not melting pots, or just arbitrary entities on a geopolitical map, formed by an accident of history.  Most countries are a union of people sharing ethnicity and culture.  When the common element that defines the country is compromised, you have an existential threat.

give it a few centuries and americans will understand it too.

[garbon]

I'm shocked, shocked, that Americans think it's A-OK for a big bully nation to invade other countries, fuck them up and then cry foul when the victims fight back.

I'm shocked to see Europe resorting to ethno-tribal politics.

There is no good way to reconcile modern moral standards and ethnically-based countries.  It's hard for Americans to really appreciate that, since our country is a melting pot.  Most countries are not melting pots, or just arbitrary entities on a geopolitical map, formed by an accident of history.  Most countries are a union of people sharing ethnicity and culture.  When the common element that defines the country is compromised, you have an existential threat.

give it a few centuries and americans will understand it too.

I don't know why you cheer on barbaric attitudes.

[Valmy]

Hey I was explaining to Shielbh why it was the way it was.  I get it.

[garbon]

Hey I was explaining to Shielbh why it was the way it was.  I get it.

If you truly got it, you'd support it.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

I'm shocked, shocked, that Americans think it's A-OK for a big bully nation to invade other countries, fuck them up and then cry foul when the victims fight back.

I'm shocked to see Europe resorting to ethno-tribal politics.

There is no good way to reconcile modern moral standards and ethnically-based countries.  It's hard for Americans to really appreciate that, since our country is a melting pot.  Most countries are not melting pots, or just arbitrary entities on a geopolitical map, formed by an accident of history.  Most countries are a union of people sharing ethnicity and culture.  When the common element that defines the country is compromised, you have an existential threat.

give it a few centuries and americans will understand it too.

I don't know why you cheer on barbaric attitudes.

and I don't know what you continue denying the obvious.
There is one thing, and one thing only, that'll unite mankind: and that's an existential threat to the species. And even it's only a 50/50 chance.
And there's nothing barbaric about it either. just scale. all people identify with certain groups and not others.

[Martinus]

Speaking of the Russian embargo on EU food - the Kaliningrad district is apparently pretty fucked - they border only EU countries and do not really grow their own food.

[DGuller]

Speaking of the Russian embargo on EU food - the Kaliningrad district is apparently pretty fucked - they border only EU countries and do not really grow their own food.

I thought Russia was going to make an exception for them?

[Tamas]

Speaking of the Russian embargo on EU food - the Kaliningrad district is apparently pretty fucked - they border only EU countries and do not really grow their own food.

I thought Russia was going to make an exception for them?

In fascist Russia, exception makes you.

[Valmy]

Um can you make exceptions like that? If I was Euroland I would refuse to sell food to Kaliningrad until Russia lifted the entire embargo.

[Martinus]

Um can you make exceptions like that? If I was Euroland I would refuse to sell food to Kaliningrad until Russia lifted the entire embargo.

Well, food trade with Russia is an important part of exports for the Baltics and Poland.

[Valmy]

Um can you make exceptions like that? If I was Euroland I would refuse to sell food to Kaliningrad until Russia lifted the entire embargo.

Well, food trade with Russia is an important part of exports for the Baltics and Poland.

Which is why I thought it made sense to use whatever leverage offered itself to keep that food trade going.

[Martinus]

Not sure if it would work with Putin though. Besides, as Poland, we are used to constant embargoes with Russia - over the last decade they banned our beef, or pork and some vegetables on and off on some false pretenses.

[Razgovory]

It's been 70 years, they're Latvians now.

You know nothing Jon Snow. There were roughly 3 million Hungarians left on the other side of the border following the Versailles peace treaty. 96 years later there are still 1.5 millions of them, those who dared openly declaring themselves as such.

Are they also part of an occupation force?

[Valmy]

Are they also part of an occupation force?

Yep.  Or at least they were during the Nazi take over of Czechoslovakia.  What about this is so confusing Raz?  You are familiar enough with European history to know the dominant theme for the past 200 years surely.