Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

[Tamas]

Guys my twitter is blowing up, looks like Russian units already in Luhansk.

keep us posted

[DGuller]

Indeed / why I don't have to support their policies even if one can accept why they have come about.

Yep.  This is why I am not a big fan of ethnically based states.  Multinational states are far better.  Except France of course.

How many stable multinational states do we actually have?  And if we exclude former colonial nations that are still establishing their culture, how many does that leave us with?  Switzerland?

[celedhring]

Us?

Okay, not that stable 

[Solmyr]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101906428#_gus

Ukrainians engaged Russian column.

[Tamas]

Yeah guys, seem to be a shooting match between openly Russian APCs and Ukrainian forces going on confirmed by both sides, but sure, lets argue over your level of ignorance regarding East Euro politics

[derspiess]

From http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-179-russian-build-up-continues-at-border-as-armour-enters-ukraine/

Russia Will Do 'Everything Within Our Power' To Fix Ukraine
14:40 (GMT)

Vladimir Putin may have just spelled out his motivation in a conversation with the Finnish President today. RFE/RL reports:

Russian President Vladimir Putin says he has agreed with Finnish President Sauli Niinisto they will "do everything within our power" to end the conflict in Ukraine.

The crisis in Ukraine where government troops are fighting pro-Russian separatists was high on the agenda of talks Putin and Niinisto held on August 15 in Sochi.

Niinisto, speaking through a translator, said he hoped a Russian aid delivery to eastern Ukraine would pave the way for a cease-fire.

Putin also said EU sanctions against Moscow put under threat an entire range of ties between Russia and Finland.

Reuters reports:

A Ukrainian military spokesman said Friday that Ukraine forces have engaged a Russian armored column on Ukrainian soil and "part of it no longer exists."

[Martinus]

The funny thing is that you (Yanks) guys often accuse us Euros of being "enlightened balls of light" and whatnot, but yet you seem completely  unwilling to acknowledge reality of ethnic nation states in Europe.

Consider this to be our racial relations and gun control issues. It may not make sense but it is not going away any time soon.

[Eddie Teach]

How many stable multinational states do we actually have?  And if we exclude former colonial nations that are still establishing their culture, how many does that leave us with?  Switzerland?

Pretty much every country in Europe and the Americas have significant minority populations.

[Martinus]

Indeed / why I don't have to support their policies even if one can accept why they have come about.

Yep.  This is why I am not a big fan of ethnically based states.  Multinational states are far better.  Except France of course.

How many stable multinational states do we actually have?  And if we exclude former colonial nations that are still establishing their culture, how many does that leave us with?  Switzerland?

And Switzerland is special as it is quite small and very decentralised. Plus it is xenophobic and racist as hell to anyone who does not have the citizenship.

[DGuller]

Well, looks like now is the watershed moment.  Was this a feint to see if Ukraine will ever have the balls to fire on Russians, or is the shit going down down now?

[Martinus]

How many stable multinational states do we actually have?  And if we exclude former colonial nations that are still establishing their culture, how many does that leave us with?  Switzerland?

Pretty much every country in Europe and the Americas have significant minority populations.

I wouldn't say that a country with a "significant minority" qualifies automatically as a multinational state. Plus I think you are overestimating minority populations in Europe. I would say most European countries are 80%+ inhabited by the dominant ethnic group, with the most sizeable groups being citizenship-less immigrants from outside of Europe (and we know how well this is working out).

[derspiess]

And Switzerland is special as it is quite small and very decentralised. Plus it is xenophobic and racist as hell to anyone who does not have the citizenship.

Translation: they just don't like Poles.

[Martinus]

And Switzerland is special as it is quite small and very decentralised. Plus it is xenophobic and racist as hell to anyone who does not have the citizenship.

Translation: they just don't like Poles.

Actually, I am not sure as it is not a likely destination for Poles.

But they have these vehemently anti-immigration parties winning elections and whatnot.

[DGuller]

And Switzerland is special as it is quite small and very decentralised. Plus it is xenophobic and racist as hell to anyone who does not have the citizenship.

Translation: they just don't like Poles.

They don't need to like them, their toilets can flush for hundreds of years and not clog up once.

[Martinus]

Am I the only one who keeps derspiess and DGuller confused?