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Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-26

Started by mongers, August 06, 2014, 03:12:53 PM

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DGuller

Quote from: Legbiter on April 06, 2026, 06:56:58 PMIntense russian video from the Hostomel air assault attempt at the beginning of the war in Ukraine. The intrepid documentarian and every paratrooper you see in the video was KIA.

https://x.com/dim0kq/status/2040827543008247821
Do we know that, or do we assume that because we assume that all VDV troops were wiped out in Hostomel?

Zoupa

Quote from: DGuller on April 06, 2026, 09:21:39 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on April 06, 2026, 06:56:58 PMIntense russian video from the Hostomel air assault attempt at the beginning of the war in Ukraine. The intrepid documentarian and every paratrooper you see in the video was KIA.

https://x.com/dim0kq/status/2040827543008247821
Do we know that, or do we assume that because we assume that all VDV troops were wiped out in Hostomel?

We assume, but it's a solid assumption. Why?

DGuller

Quote from: Zoupa on April 06, 2026, 09:50:35 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 06, 2026, 09:21:39 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on April 06, 2026, 06:56:58 PMIntense russian video from the Hostomel air assault attempt at the beginning of the war in Ukraine. The intrepid documentarian and every paratrooper you see in the video was KIA.

https://x.com/dim0kq/status/2040827543008247821
Do we know that, or do we assume that because we assume that all VDV troops were wiped out in Hostomel?

We assume, but it's a solid assumption. Why?
Because knowing for a fact hits differently than probabilities.

Zoupa

Considering they were surrounded from day 1 and didn't want to surrender, the probabilities are pretty high. But ok.

Bauer

I hadn't heard about this before... Russian soldiers are getting extorted out of their pay by superiors, tortured when refusing...


Crazy_Ivan80

That has been going on for years tbh. There have mentions of it for a while now

Sheilbh

Zelensky at a ceremony giving awards on Ukrainian Defense Industry Workers' Day. And the second one of these seems extraordinary (I think the naval point interesting too):
QuoteVolodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
The capabilities of Ukraine's defense industry mean millions of FPV drones per year, our deep strikes, our interceptors, and millions of shells. Ukraine has its own long-range missile weapons. Not just in development, but a real force already at work. Flamingo and Ruta, Peklo and Neptune, Palianytsia and Vilkha – we can already be proud of all of this, but we will not stop here for sure. These are only our first steps – the industry will grow, and the enemy will feel it.

Everyone sees the historic long-range reach of our drones – striking 1,750 kilometers from our border. There will be more. And this is not about records – it is about justice that will find evil anywhere in the world. And our Sichen, Liutyi, Morok, Bars, Obriy, and FP are proof of that.

From the congratulatory address to the workers of Ukraine's defense-industrial complex (1/3).
The future is already on the front line – and Ukraine is building it. These are our ground robotic systems. For the first time in the history of this war, an enemy position was taken exclusively by unmanned platforms – ground systems and drones. The occupiers surrendered, and the operation was carried out without infantry and without losses on our side.

Ratel, TerMIT, Ardal, Rys, Zmiy, Protector, Volia, and our other ground robotic systems have already carried out more than 22,000 missions on the front in just three months. In other words, lives were saved more than 22,000 times when a robot went into the most dangerous areas instead of a warrior. This is about high technology protecting the highest value – human life.

From the congratulatory address to the workers of Ukraine's defense-industrial complex (2/3).
We also have experience in guaranteeing maritime security – objectively, the most current in the world. No one else has carried out missions like Ukrainians have in the Black Sea. When people talk about security in the Strait of Hormuz, it is often a theoretical discussion. Those who speak about it have not conducted such operations themselves. Ukrainians have. We have fought an enemy fleet, air strikes, and naval mines – we have been through all of it. And if partners offer us cooperation on equal footing, Ukraine can help.

Our naval drones, Sea Baby, Magura, and Sargan, are well-known, and this is Ukraine's export offering too. As is our artillery, which we produce at the largest scale in Europe. As are our shells, which are now growing in numbers. As is our armor, which becomes more effective every year. All of this is delivered by our defense industry – our defense industry professionals, Ukrainian arms makers.

I thank everyone involved in this. In production halls, design bureaus, laboratories, test ranges, in production and repair – every day working for Ukraine. A strong Ukraine because it can defend itself. Modern, because it is changing the rules of the game. A Ukraine that matters because it can help others, and a Ukraine that is, in many respects, indispensable. All thanks to our experience, expertise, and technology.

From the congratulatory address to the workers of Ukraine's defense-industrial complex (3/3).
Let's bomb Russia!

Crazy_Ivan80


The Minsky Moment

And here: the modern-day Quisling

"And I still believe that, obviously, and it's one of the things I'm proudest that we've done as an administration, is we've told Europe if you want to buy weapons you can, but the United States is not buying weapons and sending them to Ukraine any more."

-JD Vance
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Syt

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 15, 2026, 11:16:31 AMAnd here: the modern-day Quisling

"And I still believe that, obviously, and it's one of the things I'm proudest that we've done as an administration, is we've told Europe if you want to buy weapons you can, but the United States is not buying weapons and sending them to Ukraine any more."

-JD Vance

Your 2029 POTUS, ladies and gentlemen. :)
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- hbomberguy

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Richard Hakluyt

I found this article rather encouraging; both from the Ukranian and British points of view :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2kk8242jpo

120,000 drones sounds a lot, doesn't give the time scale though  :hmm:


Norgy

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 15, 2026, 11:16:31 AMAnd here: the modern-day Quisling


-JD Vance

That's a bit demeaning to Quisling. He actually had a decent career as Fritjof Nansen's assistant in Ukraine during the mass starvation, and was top of his class in Norwegian war college. Actually, none have beaten his score. Vance surely has just used all this to enrich himself and spread his twisted Catholicism.

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Norgy on April 15, 2026, 12:59:00 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 15, 2026, 11:16:31 AMAnd here: the modern-day Quisling


-JD Vance

That's a bit demeaning to Quisling. He actually had a decent career as Fritjof Nansen's assistant in Ukraine during the mass starvation, and was top of his class in Norwegian war college. Actually, none have beaten his score. Vance surely has just used all this to enrich himself and spread his twisted Catholicism.

 :face:

Norgy

What? Your English is failing you?

grumbler

Quote from: Norgy on April 15, 2026, 02:51:38 PMWhat? Your English is failing you?

Some people just don't "get" sarcasm.  I did, and thought your post was great.
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