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Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-26

Started by mongers, August 06, 2014, 03:12:53 PM

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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Tamas on November 28, 2025, 02:03:34 PMMunich from 1938 called, they want their imminent world war back.

I think that's too harsh on Chamberlain and on the call at Munich. Chamberlain has a sense of what he was dealing with but was concerned about the relative lack of preparation; he did use the interim period to gear up for war.

Trump and Witkoff are straight up Quislings, cat's paws for Putin.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Zoupa on November 28, 2025, 04:13:45 PMThe US can recognize anything it wants, it doesn't change the facts on the ground. Two weeks ago Trump was wanting to send tomahawks, asking Zelensky to strike Moscow. It's best not to focus too much on the imperial death throes in Washington. They've provided less than 1% of the aid Ukraine received in 2025, confirming their irrelevancy.

This.

It's the reality show Presidency in Washington.  Torrents of words and posturing and mugging for the cameras, no content.  Just ignore it all, Zelensky seems to have figured it out.  Ignore it all, and if the US drops something nice to you at some point, great; otherwise, it's business as usual.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Josquius


Quote from: Zoupa on November 28, 2025, 04:13:45 PMThe US can recognize anything it wants, it doesn't change the facts on the ground. Two weeks ago Trump was wanting to send tomahawks, asking Zelensky to strike Moscow. It's best not to focus too much on the imperial death throes in Washington. They've provided less than 1% of the aid Ukraine received in 2025, confirming their irrelevancy.

Materiel and financial.
US intelligence remains important. I don't think Europe can replicate us satelite coverage
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Jacob

The materiel is all paid for (primarily by Europe, I believe). It matters, of course, but it's not donations as I understand it.

Zoupa

Quote from: Josquius on November 28, 2025, 06:00:01 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on November 28, 2025, 04:13:45 PMThe US can recognize anything it wants, it doesn't change the facts on the ground. Two weeks ago Trump was wanting to send tomahawks, asking Zelensky to strike Moscow. It's best not to focus too much on the imperial death throes in Washington. They've provided less than 1% of the aid Ukraine received in 2025, confirming their irrelevancy.

Materiel and financial.
US intelligence remains important. I don't think Europe can replicate us satelite coverage

It can and has.

Jacob

So apparently the key pillar of Trump's peace plan is to make Trump and his friends a lot of money...

I'm not sure how reliable a source Daily Beast is, but sounds believable: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-2-trillion-plan-to-cash-in-on-ukraine-peace-leaks/

crazy canuck

Quote from: Zoupa on November 28, 2025, 04:13:45 PMThe US can recognize anything it wants, it doesn't change the facts on the ground. Two weeks ago Trump was wanting to send tomahawks, asking Zelensky to strike Moscow. It's best not to focus too much on the imperial death throes in Washington. They've provided less than 1% of the aid Ukraine received in 2025, confirming their irrelevancy.

A very good summary
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Jacob on Today at 12:08:35 PMSo apparently the key pillar of Trump's peace plan is to make Trump and his friends a lot of money...

I'm not sure how reliable a source Daily Beast is, but sounds believable: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-2-trillion-plan-to-cash-in-on-ukraine-peace-leaks/

Based on reporting in the WSJ which seems solid.  Totally on brand for both sides.

The combination of corruption, stupidity, and gullibility is just so deadly.  Trump is the worst kind of gullible person; the kind whose own self-identity is based on the idea of being street-smart.  He is truly a dream come true for Putin and the FSB.

There is such a long and very well-developed history of western companies and investors getting ripped off trying to play in post-Soviet Russia you'd think there couldn't possibly be any rubes left whose greediness so overwhelms their judgment. But no, mar-a-lago to the rescue.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson