Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-26

[crazy canuck]

That's fine, then the pressure is off Ukraine.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

The wishlist seems to have been watered down by the Europeans and Rubio in Geneva so the russians can then predictably turn it down.

which they did by now

[Josquius]

Didn't they already turn down their own the American proposal?

[Valmy]

This situation is so insane as to blow my mind. We really are just bending everything just to try to give Trump pathetic popular wins. Who gives a fuck what it actually means? Trump's image over everything.

And Russia seems bent on some kind of national suicide pact. They are so egotistical about their position as masters of their domain they would rather die than simply tolerate being a normal country.

Insanity and ego completely dominate good sense and basic statecraft.

The world has gone mad.

[Jacob]

The world is catering to Trump's ego because he sits at the top of the world's most powerful military, and the world's biggest economy.

If there was any type of cosmic justice someone as morally repugnant as Trump would not be in that position, but the US finds itself in a situation where its levers of powers have been captured by the corrupt, the self-serving, and the straight up evil.

[Jacob]

So it looks like Ukraine is doing the "okay we'll agree, with only a few minor details to hammer out" thing... so now Russia can reject the peace proposal again and Trump can do whatever he's going to do in response.

[Tamas]

So it looks like Ukraine is doing the "okay we'll agree, with only a few minor details to hammer out" thing... so now Russia can reject the peace proposal again and Trump can do whatever he's going to do in response.

This dance is much better than forcing Ukraine to surrender, but also very tiresome. Trump is, by far, the worst world leader of any consequence during my lifetime. Somebody like Boris Johnson is a towering avatar of statemanship compared to him. Heck, I'd take Lizz Truss as US President over him.