Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-26

[Tonitrus]

And back to war news...there are indications that Steve Witkoff has still been hard at work trying to surrender Ukraine.

[Zoupa]

Every month he travels to Moscow and comes back with a "new peace plan". Every month it's the same plan. Every month the US press works itself into a frenzy about it.

[grumbler]

Every month he travels to Moscow and comes back with a "new peace plan". Every month it's the same plan. Every month the US press works itself into a frenzy about it.

Curious that the media frenzy you observe can be seen there but not in the US itself.

[celedhring]

Every month he travels to Moscow and comes back with a "new peace plan". Every month it's the same plan. Every month the US press works itself into a frenzy about it.

Curious that the media frenzy you observe can be seen there but not in the US itself.

Yeah, the Euro media seems to be freaking out about it much more than the US one. I hope it means they know the plan has little credibility.

The freakout also goes to show how impotent we Euros are at the moment.

[The Minsky Moment]

Every month he travels to Moscow and comes back with a "new peace plan". Every month it's the same plan.

Of course it's the same plan.  It has the same author.  Why would Putin change it?

[The Minsky Moment]

Yeah, the Euro media seems to be freaking out about it much more than the US one. I hope it means they know the plan has little credibility.

1/3 is that the US media knows that Steve Witless is a joke
1/3 is that the US media can't keep track with all the ruinously crazy crap Trump & Co. are up to. Only so many stories can fit front page
1/3 is that the US media knows most of the US public yawns at foreign policy stuff unless we're blowing up shit or getting blown up ourselves.

[Legbiter]

Yeah, the Euro media seems to be freaking out about it much more than the US one. I hope it means they know the plan has little credibility.

The freakout also goes to show how impotent we Euros are at the moment.

The "plan" Shitkopf is hatching will go nowhere fast and die in a ditch. Only to resurface 3 months later.

[Josquius]

Explanation I've heard which makes sense, Russia pretending to care about peace again right now all to cause maximum disruption to Ukraine whilst it is dealing with a corruption scandal.

[Tamas]

Do I remember correctly that the new oil sanction is only scheduled to come into effect like next week or something? Maybe Putin was playing to have Trump cancel or postpone it and he will probably manage it.

It's just terrible what inept idiots are at the helm in the US.

[Grey Fox]

Some are inept, others are simply pro-Russia and it's kind of kleptocracy.

[garbon]

Some are inept, others are simply pro-Russia and it's kind of kleptocracy.

I'm really lost on how US senators thought it would go down well that they voted themselves the ability to sue the US government for heaps of cash. Like, don't be so obvious. You all aren't Trump.

[Tamas]

This Zelensky speech makes me think this one might be serious, in terms of pressure from Trump for surrender:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/nov/21/europe-latest-news-russia-ukraine-war-updates-zelenskyy-putin-g20?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-6920814a8f08a77eddc21f35#block-6920814a8f08a77eddc21f35

I guess that Bubba pic must indeed exist.