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Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

Started by mongers, August 06, 2014, 03:12:53 PM

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Zoupa

Foreign Ministry of Lithuania gave us retarded cartoon dogs the Star of Lithuanian Diplomacy medal. This timeline is weird.



Tonitrus

North Atlantic Fella Organization?

Sounds like a fancy men's social club.

Valmy

So...how do I join this international award winning organization?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Zoupa

Not sure if you're on twitter, but basically you make a donation to a recognized Ukraine foundation/charity/whatever, no minimum amount. Then you give the guys a few directives on what you want your dude to look like, and start shitposting on the million tankies/vatniks/russian embassies/etc accounts.

Gotta say 20 years of Languish sure helped with the shitposting part.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFO_(group)


Richard Hakluyt


Syt

https://www.ft.com/content/f790d8f4-2fe1-466d-8b29-83b1f4956984

Quote'It's really the Wild West': Vienna's spying problem spins out of control

Austria has become a 'veritable aircraft carrier' of Russian agents, says European official


Vienna, a city synonymous with shady Cold War intrigue, has once again become the espionage capital of Europe after Russia's invasion of Ukraine — and Austria's government seems in no rush to change that.

After an explosion in undercover activity, the country's three largest opposition parties in spring jointly backed legislative changes to finally criminalise espionage in Austria. But months later, their efforts have got nowhere thanks to repeated government stalling.

"We have pointed out this abuse for a long time," said Stephanie Krisper, an MP with the liberal Neos party championing the legislative drive to criminalise spying on Austrian soil. "But nothing has been changed in the penal code, with dire consequences."

The rise in spying in Vienna has drawn opprobrium from allies and undermined the country's standing among increasingly security-conscious European neighbours.

The country is home to several large international organisations, including the International Atomic Energy Agency, Opec and various UN agencies, but has traditionally turned a blind eye to undercover intelligence activity on its soil — as long as the target of the operations is not the Austrian government.

Austria was a "veritable aircraft carrier" of illegal Russian agents at the heart of the continent, a senior European spymaster told the Financial Times last year.

Senior European intelligence officials regard the Austrian situation with increasing bemusement. The country is already frozen out of many well-established intelligence-sharing arrangements on the continent, which are co-ordinated through the "Club de Berne", the informal network of European spy agencies named after a Swiss city.

While Vienna has been keen to re-ingratiate itself with its allies, the war in Ukraine has so far been a missed opportunity. Since Moscow's full-scale invasion in February 2022, European countries have ejected more than 400 Russian spies posing under diplomatic cover from their territories. So far, Austria has expelled just four.

There are still more than 180 accredited Russian diplomats in Vienna, said one senior western intelligence official, and at least a third of them are known to be using diplomatic cover for intelligence-gathering activities. Many more are now operating in the country illegally thanks to its lax policing and surveillance of espionage.

"It really is the Wild West," said one western diplomat. "It's almost comical how much is being gotten away with here. Even from our side, I am sure."

Chinese, Iranian, Israeli and Saudi agents are also present in Austria in high numbers, along with dozens of American, British and European officials assigned to monitor them.

The situation has become a headache for Austria's conservative-green coalition government. But tanking poll ratings and a fractious domestic debate over Austrian neutrality have pushed the spying issue downwards on the government's priority list.

Since Neos proposed criminalising espionage "against a foreign state or an international organisation" in Austria, the government has used its clout in parliament twice to suspend any votes on the issue. The matter is now postponed until after summer recess. The government said it needed more time to consult between departments before changing the law.

Krisper said the issue was not being taken seriously enough.

"If, for example, Russia were spying on Germany — one of our closest partners — on Austrian territory, we could not do anything about it because this was not happening 'to Austria's disadvantage'," she said, quoting the wording of the current law.

"Vienna is a perfect hub for spying, and always was," said Gustav Gressel, a former Austrian military officer and now a senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations think-tank.

"If you are a Russian intelligence officer, and you want to run a source in Germany, why would you run the risk of meeting him there? You invite this guy on a skiing holiday in Austria. Or to a ball in Vienna . . . you can basically recruit sources and exfiltrate information completely unmolested."

The Austrian capital is likely hosting an outsize Russian signals intelligence operation, a fact barely disguised even at street level to a casual passer-by. The roofs of each Russian diplomatic building and compound strewn across the city are covered with radars, domes and curious "sheds" — some of which have only been built in the past few months — which experts have said almost certainly house electronic surveillance technology.

One of Russian intelligence's "main functions in Vienna seems to be signals intelligence collection" at a scale that has elevated the operation to "the most important of the whole network in Europe", said Thomas Riegler, an Austrian intelligence historian and political scientist.

"There are powerful satellite dishes on the roofs of almost all Russian diplomatic compounds. Even on top of the cultural centre there is one."

Vienna was used as a "hub" by the intelligence services of Russia and other hostile powers, facilitating and supporting spy operations elsewhere in Europe, Riegler added.

Austrian intelligence officials have admitted that there is a problem.

"The current legal situation in Austria, specifically the very limited legal possibilities for countering espionage, and the limited criminality of such offences, leads to a very high number of foreign intelligence and secret service [agents] in our republic," Austria's directorate general for public security — the country's main intelligence agency known as the DSN — said in its 2022 annual report.

The agency's new director Omar Haijawi-Pirchner, who was appointed two years ago with a brief to reform Austrian intelligence to bring it back into the European fold, has also bemoaned the law's failings. The DSN has hardly any powers of interception, he told state media in May, and the law criminalising spying against non-Austrian targets "is in need of adaptation".

The Austrian attitude is to hope that "things blow over", said a western intelligence official. There was little incentive to act quickly, he added. "At the moment, the Austrian position in Europe is embarrassing, but the government can always say that no law is being broken."

"If they changed the law, they'd have to try and enforce it — and the fact of the matter is, they probably can't," the official said. "That would be even more embarrassing."

The "having to enforce it" part rings particularly true - since that might mean having to piss off a bunch of countries that Austria(n capital) is invested in.
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Savonarola

Quote from: Syt on July 14, 2023, 07:14:17 AM
Quote'It's really the Wild West': Vienna's spying problem spins out of control

It's not that awful, you know what the fellow said. 

 ;)

In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

Sheilbh

Interesting piece on Austria - about 90% back neutrality so can't see that changing any time soon:
https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/soft-zeitenwende-vienna
Let's bomb Russia!

grumbler

Quote from: Savonarola on July 14, 2023, 07:39:31 AM
Quote from: Syt on July 14, 2023, 07:14:17 AM
Quote'It's really the Wild West': Vienna's spying problem spins out of control

It's not that awful, you know what the fellow said. 

 ;)


That's a funny bit of patter, but totally false.  What Switzerland produced for those five hundred years was the best mercenaries money could buy.
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Bayraktar!

Legbiter

Quote from: Savonarola on July 14, 2023, 07:39:31 AM
Quote from: Syt on July 14, 2023, 07:14:17 AM
Quote'It's really the Wild West': Vienna's spying problem spins out of control

It's not that awful, you know what the fellow said. 

 ;)



:lol:

It's also kinda handy that the Austrian elite is so completely compromised and Vienna riddled with Russian spies because that paradoxically makes it easier to both recruit double agents and communicating under the table.  :hmm: 
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PDH

The good news is that Austrian politicians are of such high moral standards that such intrigue has no chance of impacting them.
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Syt

Quote from: PDH on July 14, 2023, 10:41:26 AMThe good news is that Austrian politicians are of such high moral standards that such intrigue has no chance of impacting them.
:ph34r:
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

jimmy olsen

Kerch bridge has been hit again. A span is reportedly down.
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Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
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viper37

Sauron is gathering its forces in the North, about 100 000 men.








https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/07/17/7411740/


QuoteRussia has gathered more than 100,000 soldiers of its occupation forces on the Lyman-Kupiansk axis.
Source: Serhii Cherevatyi, spokesman for the Eastern Group of Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on the national 24/7 newscast
Quote: "The enemy has gathered a very powerful group of forces – more than 100,000 personnel, over 900 tanks, over 555 artillery systems, and 370 multiple-launch rocket systems – on the Lyman-Kupiansk axis.
For context, Russia deployed 120,000 personnel in Afghanistan at the height of its campaign there.
[Russia] has consolidated its air assault units, its best motorised infantry units, private military companies [on the Lyman-Kupiansk axis], and has deployed territorial forces as reserves there."
Details: Cherevatyi stressed that Ukrainian soldiers are holding the line and preventing Russian forces from taking the initiative in the area.

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