Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-23 and Invasion

[Solmyr]

Zelensky visiting Kherson - including for the official flag-raising:
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1592110611496071168?s=20&t=wwuePHTHXlJfL4q7_75V_g

Saw a joke on Twitter that this is the first time in 10 years that the President of Ukraine has visited Russia.

[The Larch]

Zelensky has apparently presented the outline of a desireable peace for Ukraine during the G20. It's as follows:



I'll try to find some details.

[Berkut]

Zelensky has apparently presented the outline of a desireable peace for Ukraine during the G20. It's as follows:



I'll try to find some details.

I don't know what most of those things actually mean in any practical sense. 

[Habbaku]

Wow, Berkut is against restoring justice.

[Zanza]

German gas storage is now above 100%. Apparently you can store more of the Norwegian gas than the Russian gas due to different chemical properties. FU Putin.

[Sheilbh]

Unconfirmed reports of "stray" Russian missiles hitting Polish territory and killing two Poles.

[grumbler]

Unconfirmed reports of "stray" Russian missiles hitting Polish territory and killing two Poles.

Unleash the kraken!

[Zoupa]

It's been confirmed by multiple Polish news sources. Uh oh.

[Tonitrus]

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_01

[OttoVonBismarck]

Not sure how the Polish situation will play out, I doubt Article 5 would be invoked over what is clearly a stray hit on the border.

[Tamas]

Emergency meeting called by Orban of his national security council

[Zoupa]

NATO's ROE are detailed and strict, so I don't think so either. I could see Poland deploying air defense to Ukraine though, and shooting down anything flying. Don't they have Patriot batteries?

I can only imagine little Vlad shitting his pants in the Kremlin right now. Bunker bitch.

[Valmy]

Emergency meeting called by Orban of his national security council

Let me predict the incoming response by Hungary: Russia killing Poles is all the fault of the Jews and the West!

And probably immigrants.

[Sheilbh]

NATO's ROE are detailed and strict, so I don't think so either. I could see Poland deploying air defense to Ukraine though, and shooting down anything flying. Don't they have Patriot batteries?

I can only imagine little Vlad shitting his pants in the Kremlin right now. Bunker bitch.

Yeah if it is a stray missile then it's not the same as a deliberate attack. But I imagine Poland will want immediate consultations with NATO partners - in a weird way it may be helpful that the G20 is happening so a lot of NATO leaders are in one place.

I wonder if the response will depend on whether they trace the flight path to Russia or Belarus?

[Sheilbh]

Not sure how the Polish situation will play out, I doubt Article 5 would be invoked over what is clearly a stray hit on the border.

I don't think it is applicable either. Article 5 is about an armed attack; I don't think that includes a stray missile.

Obviously the risk of this type of situation is because Russia is recklessly lobbing missiles at Ukraine, but I'm not sure it's an Article 5 situation.