BREAKING NEWS - Malaysian airliner crashes on Russian-Ukrainian border

[Barrister]

Yeah, as far as embargoes go, that's a bit of a weird one. Unless he expects to massively shift imports to other trading partners as part of a strategy to disconnect from the West, economically.

I think it's intended to bring targetted pressure to select countries to try and break up the EU's overall resolve.  Poland was mentioned as one country where they might try and target their produce.

[derspiess]

Excellent - a self imposed embargo of goods they need that the West didnt have the political will to impose.  That will show us!

The Hungarian beet pipeline will keep Russians fed throughout that period.

[Valmy]

Also, U.S. media are controlled by the State Department: http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/743746

I guess that'll be news to FOX.

LOL they just make up whatever.

[Razgovory]

Besides, a lot of those embargoes are meaningless. Ship the goods to a third country, slap new labels on them, and done.

Does cost more, though.  I imagine the Russian people won't be happy if their food bill increases.

[mongers]

Ukrainian mobile forces prepare:

[jimmy olsen]

Evidence sounds iron clad

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/malaysia-airlines-mh17-was-shot-down-buk-warhead-investigators-n443431

Malaysia Airlines MH17 Was Shot Down by BUK 'Warhead': Investigators

by Alexander Smith

Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was downed by a Russian-made "warhead" fired from eastern Ukraine that detonated outside the jet's cockpit, Dutch investigators confirmed in their final report Tuesday.

The findings of the Dutch Safety Board were announced at a press conference against the dramatic backdrop of the Boeing 777's partially reconstructed fuselage.

Tjibbe Joustra, chairman of the Dutch Safety Board, told the press conference the crash was caused by "the detonation of a warhead outside the airplane...to the left of the cockpit."

The missile was a BUK surface-to-air missile — which is made in Russia, according to Reuters.

He said the warhead's detonation killed the plane's three crew members in the cockpit and caused "structural damage" which resulted in the jet's "forward part" tearing off, the plane breaking up in midair and scattering over a large area.

The missile detonated less than one yard from the aircraft, Joustra said, adding that "high energy" fragments were found in the bodies of the three crew members killed in the cockpit.

He told the press conference that because of the armed conflict in Ukraine, there would have been "sufficient reason to close the airspace as a precaution" but "the Ukraine authorities failed to do so."

The press conference was also shown a computer reconstruction of the plane's final voyage.

The airliner was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur on July 17 last year when it came down over eastern Ukraine, where government troops have been locked in a grinding conflict with pro-Russia rebels. All 298 people on board were killed.

Ukraine and its Western allies have alleged that the rebels shot down the plane with a missile made in Russia, something the rebels and Moscow rejects.

[Syt]

Russia Defense manufacturer maintains it was Kiev forces.

https://www.rt.com/news/318531-mh17-experiment-almaz-antey/

MH17 downed by outdated BUK missile fired from Kiev-controlled area – Defense system manufacturer

Two full-scale experiments by the Almaz-Antey defense company aimed at recreating the MH17 crash conclude the missile that downed the flight was an old BUK model fired from a Ukraine-controlled area, contesting the preliminary theory by Dutch investigators.

Two detonations of Buk missiles near aluminum panels and the cockpits of decommissioned Ilyushin Il-86 passenger airliners in July and October have produced what the company calls conclusive results.

In the course of the international investigation, "the company was provided with three T-shaped strike elements, which looked like 9M38M1 [model] strike elements, which caused specialists to make their conclusion on the missile type in June," said Almaz Antey's CEO.

Late in July the first full-scale experiment was conducted. Then a BUK 9M38M1 missile and aluminum panels were used.

"In the course of the experiment it became absolutely evident that if the Malaysian Boeing was downed by a BUK missile, it was done with an old BUK model which does not have double-T iron strike elements," CEO Yan Novikov told a media conference in Moscow.

The outcome of the experiment was sent over to the Dutch investigators, however, "according to what we know was not taken into consideration," Novikov said.

In October, the BUK manufacturer conducted a second full-scale experiment using the missile and a decommissioned Ilyushin Il-86 passenger airliner. The simulation of the attack on the Boeing "unequivocally proved that if the plane was brought down by a BUK system, it was done with an outdated 9M38 missile from the village of Zaroshchenskoye," in Ukrainian military-controlled territory.

The company also said that the last missile of this type was produced in the Soviet Union in 1986, that its life span is 25 years including all prolongations, and that all missiles of this type were decommissioned from the Russian Army in 2011.

According to Almaz-Antey experts, the Dutch side does not explain why the investigation insists that the possible launch of the surface-to-air missile was executed from the settlement of Snezhnoye, controlled by rebel forces.

A missile launched from Snezhnoye could not have inflicted damage to Boeing's left side and not a single element would have hit the aircraft's left wing and engine, insist the Almaz-Antey experts.

"The main proof that the aircraft was shot down from the direction of Snezhnoye was [the Dutch commission's] modeling of that process and interpretation of the damage to the fuselage. It does provide a quite visual imagery of how a missile on a head-on course could damage certain areas, yet this kind of modeling does not explain at all the real-incidence angles of striking elements [hitting the aircraft]," Novikov said.

Analysis of the photos of MH17 debris led the company's experts to believe that the blast of the warhead damaged not only the cockpit of the Boeing 777 that crashed in Ukraine, but also the left wing and stabilizer.

The detonation of the missile occurred at a distance of more than 20 meters from the left-wing engine and most of the strike elements were moving along the fuselage of the aircraft.

"The left wing and stabilizer also bear traces of damage, the size of which provides an opportunity to define them as inflicted by the strike elements of a BUK missile complex," adviser of the general constructor of Almaz-Antey, Mikhail Malyshevsky, said.

The Almaz-Antey experts paid special attention to the fact that some of the damage registered on the MH17 debris was caused by disruption of the aircraft's structural components and not by the striking elements of the missile.

The experts of Almaz-Antey also said that Ukraine possesses 9M38 missiles, but fell short of accusing either the Kiev authorities or the rebels in the east of Ukraine of causing the catastrophe.

The Almaz-Antey specialists have not excluded other possible causes of the MH17 tragedy.

The preliminary theory of the Dutch Safety Board report investigating technical details of the MH17 air crash was presented on June 1 and since then the participants in the investigation, namely Australia, Malaysia, the Netherlands, Russia, the USA, UK and Ukraine have been allowed to deliver their amendments. Russian authorities have repeatedly called attention to the fact that the investigation team rejects evidence presented by Russian entities such as Almaz-Antey, which are not likely to be presented in the final version expected to be delivered on Tuesday, October 13.

Simultaneously with the investigation of the Dutch Safety Board, the Dutch prosecutor's office is conducting a separate criminal investigation of its own aimed at establishing the perpetrators of the attack on passenger aircraft.

A Malaysia Airlines Boeing-777 flight MH17 passenger aircraft left from Amsterdam to the Malaysian capital of Kuala Lumpur on July 17, 2014. The airliner was shot down and fell to Earth over the Donetsk Region in eastern Ukraine. All 298 people, 283 passengers and 15 crew, on board were killed. There were 80 children among the passengers. Most, 193 people, were Dutch nationals; altogether the airliner was carrying citizens from 10 countries.

[HisMajestyBOB]

Well, that's slightly more plausible than their first story, "Malaysian Airliner shot itself in the head with missile"

[Syt]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/28/flight-mh17-shot-down-by-missile-brought-in-from-russia-ukraine-malaysia-airlines

MH17 shot down by missile brought into Ukraine from Russia, says investigation

'Conclusive evidence' that Buk missile brought from Russia hit Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777, killing 298 people

Flight MH17 was shot down over Ukraine by a Buk missile brought across the border from Russia and fired from a village under the control of pro-Russian rebels, an international criminal investigation has said.

In a press conference on Wednesday in Nieuwegein, in the Netherlands, the Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) said there was conclusive evidence that a Buk 9M38 missile hit the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777, killing all 298 people on board.

Wilbert Paulissen, the head of the Dutch national detective force, said: "The missile was shot down by a Buk. This Buk was brought in from the territory of the Russian Federation, and after launch was subsequently returned to Russian Federation territory."

Paulissen said the missile had been fired from an arable field 6km (three miles) south of the village of Snizhne. "At the time of the launch this territory was under the control of pro-Russian fighters," he said.

The farmland near Pervomaiske "can be pointed out as the launch site without any doubt", Paulissen said, saying that witnesses reported a "loud explosion and a high whistling sound" followed by a smoke trail in the sky.

MH17 crashed about 25km away from where the Buk missile was fired, Paulissen said, at about 4.20pm on 17 July, 2014. Satellite data provided by the US and the European Space Agency confirmed the launch site, he said.

In other astonishing developments: water still wet, Pope is Catholic, and Earth revolving around sun.

[Liep]

But, but..

Russian radar data shows no missile attack on MH17 from rebel side, indicates Ukraine involvement

Newly discovered raw data picked up by a civilian radar station on the day of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 crash shows no signs of a missile being fired at the plane from territory controlled by rebels, the Russian military and radar producer said.

According to Almaz-Antey, memory chips from that station were replaced in July 2014, shortly after the tragic incident, and were discovered recently.

[Syt]

The title of the slide makes me cringe.

[Maladict]

Dunglish ftw 

[Archy]

I fail at Dutch now
Thought the plural was Scenarios and genitive was scenario's.
Had to check forgot totally about this silly rule

[Razgovory]

Scenario's Pizza.

[Martinus]

Scenario's Pizza.