In wake of teen deaths, Israel vows to crush Hamas

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derspiess

#210
July 25, 2014, 04:21:38 PM


Come on, Berkut.  Be a guy...
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Valmy

#211
July 25, 2014, 04:22:45 PM
Apparently the more uneducated you are the more pro-Palestinian you are :hmm:
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Berkut

#212
July 25, 2014, 04:32:20 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 25, 2014, 04:21:38 PM


Come on, Berkut.  Be a guy...

In the context of that poll, I would come down on "Justified".

Overall, I think they are justified - in some particulars I think their chosen tactics are not justified.
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derspiess

#213
July 25, 2014, 04:33:24 PM
IT WORKED!!
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Josephus

#214
July 25, 2014, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 25, 2014, 04:22:45 PM
Apparently the more uneducated you are the more pro-Palestinian you are :hmm:

That's because these people never go to classes at university. They're always "raising awareness".
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Razgovory

#215
July 25, 2014, 04:57:04 PM
I think it's counterproductive.  I don't know if they were Justified or not.  Wasn't following it to closely.  Were the Israeli teens actually murdered on Hamas orders or not?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Eddie Teach

#216
July 25, 2014, 05:01:29 PM
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grumbler

#217
July 25, 2014, 05:23:21 PM Last Edit: July 25, 2014, 06:03:09 PM by grumbler
Quote from: Berkut on July 25, 2014, 04:32:20 PM
In the context of that poll, I would come down on "Justified".

Overall, I think they are justified - in some particulars I think their chosen tactics are not justified.

Sorry, only black-and-white or "don't know" answers are acceptable.

I share your concerns but we differ on degree.  That's all good.  Debate is good, unless it is not of the "What's wrong with you?" variety.
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Bayraktar!

Norgy

#218
July 25, 2014, 05:40:44 PM
I'm probably going to get some flak for this, but the conflict is a lot about getting worldwide support.

So far the Hamas is killing less children with their attacks than the IDF. This obviously goes out in most media outlets.
However, I am not blind. What I see is a use of disproportionate force against people who are being held hostage by a bunch of bearded clerics, gladly using them as pawns in a game of garnering more support by the moral outrage of a generally hostile opinion towards Israel in most of Europe.

The carnage itself is terrible. These people have very few places to run. As a human being, I feel extremely bad about this whole thing.

grumbler

#219
July 25, 2014, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: Norgy on July 25, 2014, 05:40:44 PM
I'm probably going to get some flak for this, but the conflict is a lot about getting worldwide support.

So far the Hamas is killing less children with their attacks than the IDF. This obviously goes out in most media outlets.
However, I am not blind. What I see is a use of disproportionate force against people who are being held hostage by a bunch of bearded clerics, gladly using them as pawns in a game of garnering more support by the moral outrage of a generally hostile opinion towards Israel in most of Europe.

The carnage itself is terrible. These people have very few places to run. As a human being, I feel extremely bad about this whole thing.
No reason to feel bad about that opinion.  I'd bet it is shared by every sane person on the planet.  The "hostage populace" problem is, morally, the hardest one there is.  None of those six-year-old girls at Hiroshima deserved to die.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

mongers

#220
July 25, 2014, 06:10:24 PM
What I find puzzling is Syria is billed as the civil war of massive indiscriminate killing, yet apparently two thirds of the casualties aren't civilians. Whereas the Gazan operation is supposedly one of precision targeting by one side. 
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Razgovory

#221
July 25, 2014, 06:11:33 PM
Well, little Masanao Uehara did.  He had already killed like three neighborhood cats and was probably going to grow up to be a serial killer.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Tamas

#222
July 29, 2014, 08:48:16 AM



I remember those two attacks making rounds in the press as Evil Israel Strikes Again news.

Crazy_Ivan80

#223
July 29, 2014, 01:36:42 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 25, 2014, 04:22:45 PM
Apparently the more uneducated you are the more pro-Palestinian you are :hmm:

not unexpected

Valmy

#224
July 29, 2014, 02:04:45 PM
Quote from: Tamas on July 29, 2014, 08:48:16 AM
I remember those two attacks making rounds in the press as Evil Israel Strikes Again news.

Greenwald was all over that one.  He is quite the Palestinian stooge isn't he?  He just reports whatever they feed him.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."
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