In wake of teen deaths, Israel vows to crush Hamas

[Duque de Bragança]

10th District isn't the most multicultural, that'd be 15th or 16th. Or perhaps 20th.

Barbès is hardly multicultural. It's North African mostly.

[Tamas]

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/15/hamas-uses-horror-movie-still-of-headless-girl-in-miniskirt-to-depict-gaza-casualties-on-social-media-warning-graphic-video/

[Admiral Yi]

Rocket attacks have generated a low body count in large part, I presume, because of Israel's early warning, home shelter, and interception systems. 

What would constitute a proportionate response to that?

[Crazy_Ivan80]

11,000 people at yesterday's protests according to police (organizers say 30,000). The whole thing was peaceful, though a few people collapsed, with temperatures going up to the mid-30s, and a lot of the participants observing the Ramadan fasting during the day.

The organizers say they're not antisemites but pro-human, calling for an end to the slaughter of thousands of innocents in Gaza.

closer to the truth would be stating that they generally are anti-semites, joining by usueful idiots and die-hard communists

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Rocket attacks have generated a low body count in large part, I presume, because of Israel's early warning, home shelter, and interception systems. 

What would constitute a proportionate response to that?

Salting of the land and selling of its inhabitants on the arab-slavemarkets. Call it conflict-resolution Roman style.

[Viking]

http://www.israellycool.com/2014/07/20/analysis-of-gazans-killed-so-far-in-operation-protective-edge/

A slightly more systematic analysis than the one I did earlier.

Analysis Of Gazans Killed So Far In Operation Protective Edge
Posted by: Aussie Dave  July 20, 2014

Some of the claims I am seeing online include how the vast majority of Gazans killed are civilians, and how Israel is deliberately targeting them.
Regarding the latter, we all know this is nonsense – if Israel wanted to kill civilians it would carpet bomb Gaza. It is precisely because we want to avoid civilian casualties, that we opt for pinpoint strikes and ground operations, at risk to our soldiers' lives.
But what about the first claim? Are the vast majority civilians?
Without having all of the terrorist obituaries or intel to prove who was a terrorist, this is hard to analyze. But what we do have is a list of the names and ages of those killed so far, which does provide us with some insights.
An anonymous Israellycool reader and her family spent countless hours going over this list from Al Jazeera – a media outlet that can't be accused of slanting things Israel's way. The reader's main findings regarding the casualties to date are as follows:











As you can see, over 80% of Gazans killed so far have been male, with almost half of these males being in the 18-28 age group. One can imagine many of these being "combatants." A further 20% of these males are between 29 and 48, an age group one could envisage may also contain many Hamas members.
In other words, these figures bring into question how many of those killed were really innocent civilians.
What these figures also indicate is if Israel was indiscriminately killing Gazans, the representation in terms of gender and age would be broader (with relatively more children killed than the approx 18%, considering nearly 50% of Gazans are under the age of 14).
Update: Even way back in 2008, Israellycool linked to Bret Stephens in the Wall Street Journal who noticed Palestinian sources have always reported far too many male casualties to back up the claim of indiscriminate killing by the IDF, let alone the crazy charge of deliberately targeting civilians.

[The Minsky Moment]

I actually think the operation is more justifiable now that the IDF is at least trying to accomplish some kind of strategic objective.  Although it doesn't seem worth it - how hard it is to dig a bunch of new tunnels?

Another thing that struck me is that all the international protests and pressure are probably having the unintended effect of causing the Israelis to rush and increase tempo to try to end their incursion faster, thus leading to higher casualties for both sides . . .

[Berkut]

I actually think the operation is more justifiable now that the IDF is at least trying to accomplish some kind of strategic objective.  Although it doesn't seem worth it - how hard it is to dig a bunch of new tunnels?

I actually agree - there will be more casualties, of course, but at least Israel seems to be trying to accomplish something, rather than just bomb some shit so people can feel like they are doing something.

Another thing that struck me is that all the international protests and pressure are probably having the unintended effect of causing the Israelis to rush and increase tempo to try to end their incursion faster, thus leading to higher casualties for both sides . . .

Doesn't this always work like that? Israel tries to get as much done as they can until the demands for a cease fire calls a halt?

[derspiess]

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/15/hamas-uses-horror-movie-still-of-headless-girl-in-miniskirt-to-depict-gaza-casualties-on-social-media-warning-graphic-video/

Had this even been a real photo, odds would favor Hamas having done that to a girl wearing a miniskirt in Gaza.

[Valmy]

The organizers say they're not antisemites but pro-human, calling for an end to the slaughter of thousands of innocents in Gaza.

Pfft sure.  If it was Egypt or ISIS or somebody going through Gaza murdering everybody they wouldn't care at all.

[Malthus]

I actually think the operation is more justifiable now that the IDF is at least trying to accomplish some kind of strategic objective.  Although it doesn't seem worth it - how hard it is to dig a bunch of new tunnels?

Another thing that struck me is that all the international protests and pressure are probably having the unintended effect of causing the Israelis to rush and increase tempo to try to end their incursion faster, thus leading to higher casualties for both sides . . .

I disagree. I think the ground operation was a mistake - it is bound to vastly increase the number of civilian casualties, purely for the purpose of *appearing* to do something.

[derspiess]

Chromeo is still together, so not all is lost.

[jimmy olsen]

Chromeo is still together, so not all is lost.

How is that relevant?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGksDvKZ9ek

[Tamas]

[garbon]

God, I just saw these photos yesterday, as well. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/22/france-jewish-shops-riot_n_5608612.html