The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant Megathread

[garbon]

Heterosexual men who claim that they cannot judge if another guy is hot have always baffled me.

I certainly have opinions about what is attractive about other dudes.  But that does not mean I would be a good source of knowledge on what gay men and heterosexual women find hot.

Damn did we just turn the ISIS thread into a gay thread?

Perhaps but that's probably because gay men's and straight women's choices are not being telegraphed all the time by the popular culture. On the other hand anyone with a tv and an internet can quickly figure out the type of a woman most straight men would find attractive.

Actually the real thing is that it would be a fool's errand as none of the mentioned a universal type beyond media portrayals a hypothetical standard. OTOH, I think that fits into what you said about how odd it is when straight men say they can tell if a man is attractive as there is enough in the media to give everyone a sense of what that hypothetical standard is - for both sexes.

[garbon]

See?  Until you open your mouth and say your stupid thoughts you never know which ones are stupid and which ones are not.  I actually heard that here from Yi or Spicey or somebody else.  Or thought I did, it was a long time ago.

My understanding is that the US does not recognize dual citizenship.  I never said you can't maintain different passports.  I.e., if I get my Argentine citizenship, the US will not recognize me as an Argentine citizen.  I can still travel to Argentina and use my Argentine passport to get into the country and avoid that annoying anti-US fee.

I'm not sure I understand the difference you are trying to note. The US has regulations surrounding dual citizenship so it certainly recognizes that it exists.

[Valmy]

Perhaps but that's probably because gay men's and straight women's choices are not being telegraphed all the time by the popular culture. On the other hand anyone with a tv and an internet can quickly figure out the type of a woman most straight men would find attractive.

Yeah no hot guys in popular culture.  None at all.

[Siege]

See?  Until you open your mouth and say your stupid thoughts you never know which ones are stupid and which ones are not.  I actually heard that here from Yi or Spicey or somebody else.  Or thought I did, it was a long time ago.

My understanding is that the US does not recognize dual citizenship.  I never said you can't maintain different passports.  I.e., if I get my Argentine citizenship, the US will not recognize me as an Argentine citizen.  I can still travel to Argentina and use my Argentine passport to get into the country and avoid that annoying anti-US fee.

Or to use an actual real-life example, my wife is an Argentine citizen and a US citizen.  But since the point she became a US citizen the US government does not recognize her Argentine citizenship.  They didn't confiscate her Argie passport and force her at gunpoint to renounce her Argie citizenship.

What anti-US fee?

[Valmy]

Actually the real thing is that it would be a fool's errand as none of the mentioned a universal type beyond media portrayals a hypothetical standard. OTOH, I think that fits into what you said about how odd it is when straight men say they can tell if a man is attractive as there is enough in the media to give everyone a sense of what that hypothetical standard is - for both sexes.

Well straight women seem to think we want them thin as rails which only fashion designers and Ide like.

[Valmy]

My understanding is that the US does not recognize dual citizenship.  I never said you can't maintain different passports.  I.e., if I get my Argentine citizenship, the US will not recognize me as an Argentine citizen.  I can still travel to Argentina and use my Argentine passport to get into the country and avoid that annoying anti-US fee.

Or to use an actual real-life example, my wife is an Argentine citizen and a US citizen.  But since the point she became a US citizen the US government does not recognize her Argentine citizenship.  They didn't confiscate her Argie passport and force her at gunpoint to renounce her Argie citizenship.

Here is the thing though: if she decides to go join ISIS or join the Russian army would they then yank her US citizenship because she is a dual citizen?  But not do so if that would make her stateless?  It would seem like they would have to recognize her dual citizenship to have a policy like that.

[garbon]

Actually the real thing is that it would be a fool's errand as none of the mentioned a universal type beyond media portrayals a hypothetical standard. OTOH, I think that fits into what you said about how odd it is when straight men say they can tell if a man is attractive as there is enough in the media to give everyone a sense of what that hypothetical standard is - for both sexes.

Well straight women seem to think we want them thin as rails which only fashion designers and Ide like.

I think you are conflating(oversimplifying?) a bunch of things there when you make that statement.

[Martinus]

Perhaps but that's probably because gay men's and straight women's choices are not being telegraphed all the time by the popular culture. On the other hand anyone with a tv and an internet can quickly figure out the type of a woman most straight men would find attractive.

Yeah no hot guys in popular culture.  None at all.

Fair enough but male standard of beauty is more about personality than looks. Just look at Benedict Cumberbatch.

[garbon]

Perhaps but that's probably because gay men's and straight women's choices are not being telegraphed all the time by the popular culture. On the other hand anyone with a tv and an internet can quickly figure out the type of a woman most straight men would find attractive.

Yeah no hot guys in popular culture.  None at all.

Fair enough but male standard of beauty is more about personality than looks. Just look at Benedict Cumberbatch.

[Valmy]

I think you are conflating(oversimplifying?) a bunch of things there when you make that statement.

I thought I was going along with your fool's errand thing to make predictions based on media portrayals.

[derspiess]

Well straight women seem to think we want them thin as rails which only fashion designers and Ide like.

True.  To get even more absurd, my wife (an ex-fashion designer who FWIW is no longer thin) scoffs at my 'bad taste' whenever I react positively toward non-anorexic models or actresses.  We get into an argument every time that Kate Upton Game of War commercial comes on.

[Ed Anger]

Well straight women seem to think we want them thin as rails which only fashion designers and Ide like.

True.  To get even more absurd, my wife (an ex-fashion designer who FWIW is no longer thin) scoffs at my 'bad taste' whenever I react positively toward non-anorexic models or actresses.  We get into an argument every time that Kate Upton Game of War commercial comes on.

Those are some fantastic hooters.

[Malthus]

So ... do women who are thin as rails get dual citizenship in the US based on media portrayals of their hottness? And this is a result of ISIS? 

[CountDeMoney]

True.  To get even more absurd, my wife (an ex-fashion designer who FWIW is no longer thin) scoffs at my 'bad taste' whenever I react positively toward non-anorexic models or actresses.  We get into an argument every time that Kate Upton Game of War commercial comes on.

Those are some fantastic hooters.

Peterbilts don't have headlights that large.

[Valmy]

So ... do women who are thin as rails get dual citizenship in the US based on media portrayals of their hottness? And this is a result of ISIS? 

For somebody determined that we smash the Muslim menace, Marty is doing a great job distracting us.