Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches a new project: public school Bible curriculum

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Way to be ahead of the curve, Oklahoma! Can't wait until this is rolled out EVERYWHERE! Who needs facts and critical thinking in this enlightened day and age?

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The Mustang, Okla., school board voted Monday (April 14) to adopt a Bible course developed by Steve Green, clearing the way for the Hobby Lobby president, whose suit against the Affordable Care Act is currently before the U.S. Supreme Court, to enter another charged arena at the borderline of church and state.

The board, whose district is practically in Hobby Lobby's Oklahoma City backyard, agreed to beta-test the first year of the Museum of the Bible Curriculum, an ambitious four-year public school elective on the narrative, history and impact of the Good Book.

For at least the first semester of the 2014-15 year, Mustang alone will employ the program, said Jerry Pattengale, head of the Green Scholars Initiative, which is overseeing its development. In September 2016, he hopes to place it in at least 100 high schools; by the following year, "thousands."

If successful, Green, whose family's wealth is estimated at upward of $3 billion, would galvanize the movement to teach the Bible academically in public schools, a movement born after the Supreme Court banned school-sanctioned devotion in the 1960s but whose steady progress in the last decades has been somewhat hampered.

The Green curriculum "is like nothing we've seen before," said Charles Haynes, senior scholar at the First Amendment Center and editor of a booklet sent out to all schools by the U.S. Department of Education in 2000 on teaching religion in public schools. "It's unique in its ambition and its scope and its use of the latest technologies. I think school districts far from Oklahoma will take note."

So will civil libertarians. In an award acceptance speech last April before the National Bible Association, Green explained that his goals for a high school curriculum were to show that the Bible is true, that it's good and that its impact, "whether (upon) our government, education, science, art, literature, family ... when we apply it to our lives in all aspects of our life, that it has been good."

If realized, these sentiments, although shared by millions of Americans, could conflict with the court's requirement that public school treatment of the Bible be taught in a secular, academic fashion.

In the same speech, Green expressed hope that such courses would become mandatory, whereas now they are usually elective.

Green's move into public school curricula grew out of his second-best-known project (after the lawsuit): a 430,000-square-foot museum of the Bible due to open in 2017 several blocks from the National Mall in Washington, D.C., that will feature objects from his family's 44,000-piece collection of biblical artifacts.

A little over a year ago, said Pattengale, the realization that a high school curriculum could "help millions of students worldwide" understand the Bible's importance came to seem even more pressing than the museum. Having created an international network of scholars to assist the museum, Pattengale led a crash initiative on the curriculum. He describes the first year, which takes the project only to its quarter-way mark, as a multimillion-dollar effort involving more than 170 people. "It will never recuperate its expenses," he said, but "there's no desire to make money."

He describes the program as "robustly unique." It divides its topic into three areas: the Bible's narrative; the history of its composition and reception; and its impact on human civilization. The spine of the first-year program (the only text completed so far) is a 400-plus-page book, currently spiral-bound, featuring 108 chapters divided into five-day-a-week lessons.

The book links to a dizzying array of state-of-the-art digital enhancements (Pattengale counts 550), including one where illustrations "come alive" as video on the screen of a smartphone; original lectures by Green Institute scholars; clips from the Mark Burnett/Roma Downey miniseries "The Bible"; and deep digital access to the Green's biblical collection.

Asked to describe a typical chapter, Pattengale (who also serves on the Religion News Service managing board) outlined a "narrative" segment on creation that includes a summary of the Bible account; a section on how subsequent scientific discoveries relate to what the Bible says; and a consideration of key reasons it was written. A sidebar called "Are People Created Equal?" explores the Book of Genesis' influence on that idea through history, including the famous phrase from the Declaration of Independence.

Contrary to popular assumptions, there is nothing unconstitutional about teaching about the Bible in public schools. The same Supreme Court ruling that outlawed school-sanctioned prayer in 1963 qualified that "Nothing we have said here indicates that such study of the Bible ... when presented objectively as part of a secular program of education, may not be effected consistently with the First Amendment."

The key words, of course, are "objectively" and "secular." Haynes suggested that "the bar is actually low — I think it's hard for judges to get beyond the surface to questions of what a sound academic course looks like — but much more difficult to develop materials that actually both reflect constitutional principles and are academically solid."

Added Southern Methodist University's Mark Chancey: "The devil is in the details" of each plan.

Of his boss's 2013 speech, Pattengale said: "The curriculum may or may not espouse those views. The last people (Green) wanted to hire were scholars who would embellish the facts to support his religious position." A chapter with the provocative title "How Do We Know That the Bible's Historical Narratives are Reliable?" will include diagrams charting the commonality of multidisciplinary scholarly findings with the biblical account — or the lack of such commonality, he said.

In Mustang, Green could not have asked for a more sympathetic research partner. Religious observance in the Oklahoma City bedroom community is largely Christian, and the majority of Christians are, like Green, Southern Baptist. The nearest two synagogues are not in town — and are populated with Messianic Jews who believe in Jesus. In 2005, when a previous school superintendent canceled the schools' annual Christmas pageant because of concerns over the separation of church and state, voters rejected a proposed school bond.

The Greens are a local employer — Hobby Lobby corporate headquarters is just five miles east on Oklahoma Highway 152 — and highly regarded citizens: "They are for real a good Christian family, and have been for years and years," says Don Anderson, a successful real estate agent.

Said Brady Henderson, legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union of Oklahoma: "We don't like their Supreme Court brief, but they do give a lot to the community. They treat their employees better than a lot of service industries."

The vote Monday night was closer than might have been expected: four yeas and one abstention. One former pastor spoke out against adopting the curriculum, citing the innate difficulty of finding common language about the Bible. Abstaining board member Jeff Landrith grumbled that the community had not had enough chance to review curriculum. Board President Chad Fulton responded that it would available shortly for examination. One party promising to take a look was the Oklahoma ACLU: "to ensure no students... have their right of religious liberty compromised."

Soon, many will have a chance to assess it.


QuoteThe Greens are a local employer — Hobby Lobby corporate headquarters is just five miles east on Oklahoma Highway 152 — and highly regarded citizens: "They are for real a good Christian family, and have been for years and years," says Don Anderson, a successful real estate agent.

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Barrister

Quote from: merithyn on June 05, 2014, 11:44:39 AM
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Way to be ahead of the curve, Oklahoma! Can't wait until this is rolled out EVERYWHERE! Who needs facts and critical thinking in this enlightened day and age?

You know, having attended a Jesuit high school, I can tell you the mandatory religion courses were heavily into facts and critical thinking...
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The bible is probably the most important book ever written. Understanding western art, history, literature, etc. without knowledge of the bible is going to be difficult.

On the other hand, I don't know that we are a society that is mature enough to teach the bible. I foresee screaming parents, petulant kids, lawsuits, and stupid articles on yahoo and slate.
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Valmy

Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2014, 11:46:48 AM
You know, having attended a Jesuit high school, I can tell you the mandatory religion courses were heavily into facts and critical thinking...

Are the Jesuits putting together this program?
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Valmy

Quote from: alfred russel on June 05, 2014, 11:53:49 AM
The bible is probably the most important book ever written. Understanding western art, history, literature, etc. without knowledge of the bible is going to be difficult.

On the other hand, I don't know that we are a society that is mature enough to teach the bible. I foresee screaming parents, petulant kids, lawsuits, and stupid articles on yahoo and slate.

I want religious instruction to be left to me and my church not the government.  So long as the constitutional rights of my family are respected and my kids can opt out that is fine by me.  But Green wants his obviously false theological ideas to be mandatory courses.

And I have to question your initial thesis.  I talk to Europeans on the internet who know next to nothing about the bible beyond just general things and they have excellent understanding of all those things, far exceeding the biblically literate Americans.
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Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2014, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: merithyn on June 05, 2014, 11:44:39 AM
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Way to be ahead of the curve, Oklahoma! Can't wait until this is rolled out EVERYWHERE! Who needs facts and critical thinking in this enlightened day and age?

You know, having attended a Jesuit high school, I can tell you the mandatory religion courses were heavily into facts and critical thinking...

Yes but it is as yet unknown whether this course content will be as rigorous.  Since his stated goal is to "show that the Bible is true" one can safely assume this education will be significantly different than that given in a Jesuit school where such nonsense as a 6.000 year old universe or the Bible being literally true are not taught.

Malthus

Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2014, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: merithyn on June 05, 2014, 11:44:39 AM
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Way to be ahead of the curve, Oklahoma! Can't wait until this is rolled out EVERYWHERE! Who needs facts and critical thinking in this enlightened day and age?

You know, having attended a Jesuit high school, I can tell you the mandatory religion courses were heavily into facts and critical thinking...

My understanding is that Jesuits are heavily into facts and critical thinking. I have my doubts that this applies to everyone interested in Bible-thumping.
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: Valmy on June 05, 2014, 11:59:27 AM
And I have to question your initial thesis.  I talk to Europeans on the internet who know next to nothing about the bible beyond just general things and they have excellent understanding of all those things, far exceeding the biblically literate Americans.

It's literally impossible to understand medieval Western art & literature without knowledge of the bible. That doesn't mean reading the bible makes one a medieval scholar.
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Quote from: Valmy on June 05, 2014, 11:59:27 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 05, 2014, 11:53:49 AM
The bible is probably the most important book ever written. Understanding western art, history, literature, etc. without knowledge of the bible is going to be difficult.

On the other hand, I don't know that we are a society that is mature enough to teach the bible. I foresee screaming parents, petulant kids, lawsuits, and stupid articles on yahoo and slate.

I want religious instruction to be left to me and my church not the government.  So long as the constitutional rights of my family are respected and my kids can opt out that is fine by me.  But Green wants his obviously false theological ideas to be mandatory courses.

And I have to question your initial thesis.  I talk to Europeans on the internet who know next to nothing about the bible beyond just general things and they have excellent understanding of all those things, far exceeding the biblically literate Americans.

Knowing the Bible is essential to a deep understanding Western literature, art and philosophy. How could it not be, when the Bible has been a central part of Western civilization for at least 1600 years, and much art, literature and philosophy incorporates Biblical themes?

However, it is obviously untrue that knowing only the Bible will make one an expert in Western literature, art and philosophy.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Barrister

Quote from: Malthus on June 05, 2014, 01:00:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2014, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: merithyn on June 05, 2014, 11:44:39 AM
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Way to be ahead of the curve, Oklahoma! Can't wait until this is rolled out EVERYWHERE! Who needs facts and critical thinking in this enlightened day and age?

You know, having attended a Jesuit high school, I can tell you the mandatory religion courses were heavily into facts and critical thinking...

My understanding is that Jesuits are heavily into facts and critical thinking. I have my doubts that this applies to everyone interested in Bible-thumping.

Well of course, which is why I was sure to mention it.

I just wanted to state that study of religion and the Holy Bible is not necessarily divorced from facts and critical thinking.

Done right, I see no problem whatsoever with an elective course on Bible studies at even a public school (a mandatory course, obviously, would be a different story...).
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

Valmy

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 05, 2014, 01:03:54 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 05, 2014, 11:59:27 AM
And I have to question your initial thesis.  I talk to Europeans on the internet who know next to nothing about the bible beyond just general things and they have excellent understanding of all those things, far exceeding the biblically literate Americans.

It's literally impossible to understand medieval Western art & literature without knowledge of the bible. That doesn't mean reading the bible makes one a medieval scholar.

Nonsense.  For a general understanding you can easily get the short version.  Besides the sorts of theological beliefs and practices and controversies that dominated the medieval period the bible is not even that relevant.  If you see a painting of St. Bernard being fed by the milk of the Virgin Mary how exactly is the Bible going to help you understand that?  Heck in the Bible Mary is never explicitly the Holy Virgin, Jesus has brothers and sisters (well in Mark and Matthew anyway).  There she is just a virgin until she isn't.
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Valmy

Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2014, 01:13:33 PM
Done right, I see no problem whatsoever with an elective course on Bible studies at even a public school (a mandatory course, obviously, would be a different story...).

Well the US doesn't either which is why those already exist.
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Barrister

Quote from: Valmy on June 05, 2014, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2014, 01:13:33 PM
Done right, I see no problem whatsoever with an elective course on Bible studies at even a public school (a mandatory course, obviously, would be a different story...).

Well the US doesn't either which is why those already exist.

Then I guess I'm missing out on the source of Meri's outrage.
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Valmy

Quote from: Malthus on June 05, 2014, 01:08:54 PM
Knowing the Bible is essential to a deep understanding Western literature, art and philosophy. How could it not be, when the Bible has been a central part of Western civilization for at least 1600 years, and much art, literature and philosophy incorporates Biblical themes?

If you are going to be scholar, sure you need to know the Bible.  But not to have an understanding, particularly for anything until a graduate level course.
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Valmy

Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2014, 01:15:42 PM
Then I guess I'm missing out on the source of Meri's outrage.

Seems pretty obvious to me.  Very rich person creating a course meant to spread a specific theological view and use the government to teach it to every school kid in the country.  He will be successful in many jurisdictions.  It is an outrage.
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