Did the US make the correct decision to enter the First World War?

Started by Razgovory, May 24, 2014, 11:55:10 PM

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Did the US make the correct decision to enter the First World War.

Yes!
16 (45.7%)
No!
14 (40%)
I don't know!
5 (14.3%)

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Ideologue

Quote from: Queequeg on May 25, 2014, 09:29:17 AM
Yes.  Should have entered earlier so that the Provisional Government in Russia had a chance.

Does the non-existence of the USSR help or hinder progressive development in the West?

Probably hinders.  If nothing else, the Soviets offered a glimpse at what might happen if you take no steps to ameliorate the lot of the proletariat, and puts pressure on market-committed governments to take at least some measures.  While a full-on revolution was probably never going to, and never will, happen in America.

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Queequeg

No Communism to scare Europe in to Fascism. The Socialists are united behind the SPD model.  Eventually it evolves along slightly pro-market lines.

Almost entirely positive.  The USSR was the greatest disaster of the 20th century, and Communism one of the great evils in all of history. 
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Razgovory

Quote from: Tyr on May 25, 2014, 07:53:05 AM

They weren't going to win but in a theoretical situation where they do, it wouldn't be great for American interests.

Germany wasn't a danger to the US, and wouldn't be a danger to the US.  The only country that was a danger to the US at the time was Japan, an Entente state.
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Sheilbh

Quote from: Razgovory on May 25, 2014, 11:56:05 AM
Germany wasn't a danger to the US, and wouldn't be a danger to the US.  The only country that was a danger to the US at the time was Japan, an Entente state.
If they'd won and enacted their plans - especially after the first year - Germany definitely would've been a danger too the US.
Let's bomb Russia!

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Tyr on May 25, 2014, 04:40:55 AM
It lost them little and they got to play a full part in remaking the world- that they lost interest in this soon afterwards is where a problem lies

The US had minimal input on Sykes-Picot.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Queequeg on May 25, 2014, 10:48:19 AM
No Communism to scare Europe in to Fascism. The Socialists are united behind the SPD model.  Eventually it evolves along slightly pro-market lines.

Wrong.  The US staying home would not have mattered in the least to what was happening in Russia. 

QuoteThe USSR was the greatest disaster of the 20th century, and Communism one of the great evils in all of history.

You're so full of shit.

Razgovory

Quote from: Sheilbh on May 25, 2014, 12:01:18 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 25, 2014, 11:56:05 AM
Germany wasn't a danger to the US, and wouldn't be a danger to the US.  The only country that was a danger to the US at the time was Japan, an Entente state.
If they'd won and enacted their plans - especially after the first year - Germany definitely would've been a danger too the US.

Oh?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Razgovory on May 25, 2014, 01:27:13 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 25, 2014, 12:01:18 PM
If they'd won and enacted their plans - especially after the first year - Germany definitely would've been a danger too the US.

Oh?

They were very, very interested in the Caribbean and Latin America, in your typical German military expansionist kinda way.  It's not news.

Ideologue

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 25, 2014, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on May 25, 2014, 10:48:19 AM
No Communism to scare Europe in to Fascism. The Socialists are united behind the SPD model.  Eventually it evolves along slightly pro-market lines.

Wrong.  The US staying home would not have mattered in the least to what was happening in Russia.

No, he's possibly onto something.  An early U.S. entry might (emphasis on might) have lessened the pressure on the Provisional Government.  That said, the Provisional Government was unbelievably stupid for continuing to try to prosecute a lost war and one that never served a compelling national interest.

QuoteYou're so full of shit.

Even I concede Stalinism had excesses, man. :lol:
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Ideologue on May 25, 2014, 01:43:43 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 25, 2014, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on May 25, 2014, 10:48:19 AM
No Communism to scare Europe in to Fascism. The Socialists are united behind the SPD model.  Eventually it evolves along slightly pro-market lines.

Wrong.  The US staying home would not have mattered in the least to what was happening in Russia.

No, he's possibly onto something.  An early U.S. entry might (emphasis on might) have lessened the pressure on the Provisional Government.  That said, the Provisional Government was unbelievably stupid for continuing to try to prosecute a lost war and one that never served a compelling national interest.

Wrong.

Quote
QuoteYou're so full of shit.

Even I concede Stalinism had excesses, man. :lol:

It's one of the great evils of the 20th century, but not the greatest evil in all of history. like Spelltard says.  That apparently is Wilsonian democracy.

garbon

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 25, 2014, 01:47:59 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on May 25, 2014, 01:43:43 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 25, 2014, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on May 25, 2014, 10:48:19 AM
No Communism to scare Europe in to Fascism. The Socialists are united behind the SPD model.  Eventually it evolves along slightly pro-market lines.

Wrong.  The US staying home would not have mattered in the least to what was happening in Russia.

No, he's possibly onto something.  An early U.S. entry might (emphasis on might) have lessened the pressure on the Provisional Government.  That said, the Provisional Government was unbelievably stupid for continuing to try to prosecute a lost war and one that never served a compelling national interest.

Wrong.

Quote
QuoteYou're so full of shit.

Even I concede Stalinism had excesses, man. :lol:

It's one of the great evils of the 20th century, but not the greatest evil in all of history. like Spelltard says.  That apparently is Wilsonian democracy.

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: garbon on May 25, 2014, 01:50:55 PM
Seeds - forever in a world of black and white.

Right, because the Europeans did foreign policy so fucking well.

Ideologue

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garbon

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 25, 2014, 01:53:17 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 25, 2014, 01:50:55 PM
Seeds - forever in a world of black and white.

Right, because the Europeans did foreign policy so fucking well.

Why does it have to be either or?
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: garbon on May 25, 2014, 01:54:01 PM
Why does it have to be either or?

I'm sure Mr. Wilson would've been open to your alternatives at the time, whatever they may have been.