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Started by Faeelin, June 08, 2009, 10:58:08 PM

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Iormlund

#540
June 22, 2009, 01:06:00 PM
It's all Obama's fault. President Ryan would already killed Khamenei with his bare hands.

KRonn

#541
June 22, 2009, 01:07:05 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31481798/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

Police attack hundreds of protesters in Tehran
Revolutionary Guard vows to step in; Iran says 10 died Saturday

TEHRAN, Iran - Riot police attacked hundreds of demonstrators with tear gas and fired live bullets into the air to disperse a rally in central Tehran Monday, carrying out a threat by the country's most powerful security force to crush any further protests over the disputed presidential election.

Helicopters hovered overhead as several hundred protesters gathered at Haft-e-Tir Square. Hundreds of anti-riot police quickly put an end to the demonstration.

Witnesses said police at the scene tried to prevent any gathering, even small groups. At the square's subway station, police did not allow anyone to stand still, asking them to keep walking and separating people who were walking together.

Razgovory

#542
June 22, 2009, 01:08:30 PM
Why is only hundreds today? :(
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Valmy

#543
June 22, 2009, 01:09:53 PM
Perhaps momentum is fading.

Oh well they had a good run.
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alfred russel

#544
June 22, 2009, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 22, 2009, 01:09:53 PM
Perhaps momentum is fading.

Oh well they had a good run.

Not Neda. :(

Slightly more reasonable moderates rarely make good revolutionaries.
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KRonn

#545
June 22, 2009, 01:45:29 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 22, 2009, 01:09:53 PM
Perhaps momentum is fading.

Oh well they had a good run.
Well, we will see if things change, or probably more like faster changes over time, even if the actual protest numbers subside. The governmental thug groups can suppress demonstrators by force but I have to think the regime loses legitimacy by doing so, as has been stated by those knowledgeable and following events. And the regime also loses legitimacy by not addressing the issues that people are out demonstrating against. According to some reports, the ruling leaders/council have lost somewhat here, and are split among themselves. Or maybe this opens the way for the President of Iran to gain more power at the ruling council's expense. Or what ever other course this all may accelerate, if any. Time and events will tell.

jimmy olsen

#546
June 22, 2009, 01:49:02 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 22, 2009, 01:09:53 PM
Perhaps momentum is fading.

Oh well they had a good run.
From what I'm reading it seems like the government has so many security forces and troops in the cities now that as soon as a group of protesters start gathering they're able to pounce on them and crush them before they can gain momentum and size.
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Queequeg

#547
June 22, 2009, 02:25:55 PM
These things can fade up or fade back.  The French thought they had dealth with Algeria in the 50s, until one day, seemingly miraculously, every native in the country went apeshit.  That'll be a lot easier when cell phones and the internet come back.

Not to mention it is a lot harder to send people to jail for striking. 
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Warspite

#548
June 22, 2009, 02:37:30 PM
Equally the people might be regrouping. I believe a mourning protest is planned on Wednesday. A few days of relative calm allows the decentralised protestors to gather numbers.
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Admiral Yi

#549
June 22, 2009, 02:39:08 PM
They are waiting for some encouraging words from Obama.  Without them they are doomed.

Martinus

#550
June 22, 2009, 02:41:15 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 22, 2009, 02:39:08 PM
They are waiting for some encouraging words from Obama.  Without them they are doomed.

I'm not sure it would do more help or harm. I suspect many Iranians may hate their clerical regime, but they do not have much love for America either. And I'd think that trying to portray the protests as a foreign interference may be the only thing that could help the regime.

Admiral Yi

#551
June 22, 2009, 02:45:30 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 22, 2009, 02:41:15 PM
I'm not sure it would do more help or harm. I suspect many Iranians may hate their clerical regime, but they do not have much love for America either. And I'd think that trying to portray the protests as a foreign interference may be the only thing that could help the regime.
That certainly fits in with the conventional wisdom being pushed by the US media.  It could even be true.

alfred russel

#552
June 22, 2009, 02:47:32 PM
Somewhat parallel to Bush I remaining silent when the Berlin Wall came down. Martinus, can you give some insight into Eastern Europe's thoughts (if any) on Bush not speaking up?
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
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grumbler

#553
June 22, 2009, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 22, 2009, 02:45:30 PM
That certainly fits in with the conventional wisdom being pushed by the US media.  It could even be true.
The US media is also pushing the conventional wisdom that the US media is dead wrong about this.

One of the nice things about citing "the US media" as a source is that you can say pretty much anything you like, and it will be true!  :lol:
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Jaron

#554
June 22, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
I'm sick already about hearing about this Neda bitch.
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