What is the difference between Canada and the US re: socialism

Started by Berkut, May 08, 2014, 05:25:44 AM

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grumbler

Quote from: viper37 on May 09, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
Tuition rates are more equalized than in the US, in any given province, you'd pay about the same for tuition fees, instead of having a 'free' state funded university in Massachussetts and Harvard at 30 000$ per term.  Although there are of course some exceptions, but generally very limited in scope (say, one specific MBA program in one university would be 20k$ while all other programes would be 1700$).

Harvard is a private university.  No public university in the US charges $30,000 per term, even for out-of-state tuition (though some charge half that).  I don't think that there is even a private school that charges so much.
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Quote from: The Brain on May 09, 2014, 08:53:19 AM
Quote from: viper37 on May 09, 2014, 08:51:38 AM
The only thing Federal is the requirement to at least pay union fees when there is a union present in your workplace (joining the union is your choice, but paying your union dues is mandatory wether you join or not).

:bleeding: How the fuck is this legal?
You only pay the administrative portion of the union fees.  This gives you the benefits of enjoying the union's negotiates wages and benefits, but you don't get to vote in union elections.

It is legal because that's the law... the same way most legal stuff is legal.
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:hmm:

Stanford looks to have only gone up like $15k a year since I went. :wacko:
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Quote from: grumbler on May 09, 2014, 10:39:59 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 09, 2014, 08:53:19 AM
Quote from: viper37 on May 09, 2014, 08:51:38 AM
The only thing Federal is the requirement to at least pay union fees when there is a union present in your workplace (joining the union is your choice, but paying your union dues is mandatory wether you join or not).

:bleeding: How the fuck is this legal?
You only pay the administrative portion of the union fees.  This gives you the benefits of enjoying the union's negotiates wages and benefits, but you don't get to vote in union elections.

Why would you let the union negotiate for you?

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Quote from: Jacob on May 08, 2014, 12:43:30 PM
I think Canada is a bit more generous.

This is an bit of phrasing, as if forcing someone else to pay more to a worker than they would otherwise is a function of your generosity.

I might have asked this before, but does Canada hand out any walking around money just for being poor?

In the US we have unemployment insurance, which you must have worked previously to qualify for, and TANF, which AFAICT is impossible to qualify for and gives you nothing.  Then there's food stamps and Section 8 housing, but those don't give you walking around money.

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Term would usually mean a semester (half a year) or a trimester (a third of a year).

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Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 09, 2014, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: Jacob on May 08, 2014, 12:43:30 PM
I think Canada is a bit more generous.
I might have asked this before, but does Canada hand out any walking around money just for being poor?

Yes, provinces handle last resort aid.

Base amount is 604$/month in Quebec for 1 adult.
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Quote from: grumbler on May 09, 2014, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: viper37 on May 09, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
Tuition rates are more equalized than in the US, in any given province, you'd pay about the same for tuition fees, instead of having a 'free' state funded university in Massachussetts and Harvard at 30 000$ per term.  Although there are of course some exceptions, but generally very limited in scope (say, one specific MBA program in one university would be 20k$ while all other programes would be 1700$).

Harvard is a private university.  No public university in the US charges $30,000 per term, even for out-of-state tuition (though some charge half that).  I don't think that there is even a private school that charges so much.
But there's no such thing as "private university" in Canada, afaik.  All universities receive government funding.
There are private technical colleges though.
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viper37

Quote from: Grey Fox on May 09, 2014, 11:22:28 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 09, 2014, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: Jacob on May 08, 2014, 12:43:30 PM
I think Canada is a bit more generous.
I might have asked this before, but does Canada hand out any walking around money just for being poor?

Yes, provinces handle last resort aid.

Base amount is 604$/month in Quebec for 1 adult.
+free taxi +free dentist +free optometrist + lots of free stuff.
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