College athletes can unionize, federal agency says

[Barrister]

[Certainly not at Northwestern.

Certainly?

97% graduate. I'd *certainly* say something is being done to educate them.

Well that must be the source of Northwestern's problems.  If they'd left their students dumb and uneducated, they wouldn't know enough to go and unionize themselves.

[grumbler]

Correct.  But that leaves a lot of room to discuss what those rules and frameworks should be.
Something like an NCAA is needed, but not necessarily the NCAA we have.

There is a world of difference between "a lot of room to discuss what those rules and frameworks should be" and "Death to the NCAA!!111."  What would you change about the NCAA we now have?  Not the rules and frameworks 9those have changed many times over the lifespan of the NCAA), but the NCAA itself?  Would you put someone other than university presidents in charge of it?  Would you make it a for-profit entity?  What?

[grumbler]

97% graduate. I'd *certainly* say something is being done to educate them.

Your certainty is misplaced.  That 97% is just football GSR.  GSR is an NCAA standard, and Minsky wants to kill the NCAA, so NCAA stats can't mean anything.

[The Minsky Moment]

The NCAA GSR is indeed a statistic designed to flatter.  That is not to say it is inaccurate but it is a way of presenting the data that looks more favorable  Independent studies like the AGG report rather different results.

As it happens Northwestern ranks #1 in GSR.  Assuming they are applying rigorous and consistent standards for graduation, that says good things about Northwestern and their athletics program.

[Iormlund]

I've never really understood the US system. Why don't professional clubs simply hire high school kids?

[11B4V]

Fuck the Union.

[Ed Anger]

I've never really understood the US system. Why don't professional clubs simply hire high school kids?

NFL doesn't allow it. NBA doesn't anymore. I think.

MLB, you can be drafted out of high school.

[grumbler]

I've never really understood the US system. Why don't professional clubs simply hire high school kids?

Because they don't want to.  The pro game grew out of the college game, and the pros never saw a need to create a training league when they could just force the colleges to undertake the player training, and then skim off the best college players.  I don'[t think you'd find much public resistance to forcing the pros to have their own development league, or at least to providing a means bar college for kids to develop and demonstrate their skills.

[Iormlund]

I can understand that attitude coming from clubs with a big wallet. They can get the best of an already proven group. But what's in it for the small clubs? The only way they can compete is finding talent before the big ones. Otherwise they will always be left with the leftovers.

[jimmy olsen]

I can understand that attitude coming from clubs with a big wallet. They can get the best of an already proven group. But what's in it for the small clubs? The only way they can compete is finding talent before the big ones. Otherwise they will always be left with the leftovers.

That's not how it works here though. All four major sports (NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL) use a draft. The worst team gets to pick first and the best team picks last. It's a little more complicated in the NBA then that, but the aim is the same, to provide an equal playing field with regards to the aquisition of new talent.

[The Brain]

USSA.

[alfred russel]

I've never really understood the US system. Why don't professional clubs simply hire high school kids?

Since this is mostly about football, it is also worth pointing out that high school football players simply aren't physically ready for pro football with a very few exceptions.

[sbr]

I've never really understood the US system. Why don't professional clubs simply hire high school kids?

Since this is mostly about football, it is also worth pointing out that high school football players simply aren't physically ready for pro football with a very few exceptions.

I started to type 'with no exceptions' then second guessed myself but now I am back.  I do not think anyone, even a kicker, could compete in teh NFL right out fo high school.

[The Larch]

I can understand that attitude coming from clubs with a big wallet. They can get the best of an already proven group. But what's in it for the small clubs? The only way they can compete is finding talent before the big ones. Otherwise they will always be left with the leftovers.

Don't try to apply European sport club logic to American leagues, they work in completely different ways.

[katmai]

I can understand that attitude coming from clubs with a big wallet. They can get the best of an already proven group. But what's in it for the small clubs? The only way they can compete is finding talent before the big ones. Otherwise they will always be left with the leftovers.

Don't try to apply European sport club logic to American leagues, they work in completely different ways.

Yeah baseball use to be that way, but then Curt Flood has to fuck it all up!