Senator threatens NFL's tax-exempt status over the Redskins name

[garbon]

Right?  You have to be one out of touch idiot to think the whole 'our name respects the native Americans' shit was going to fly.  This dude shouldn't be allowed to run a lemonade stand much less a professional football team.

What do you mean it isn't going to fly? Every poll I've seen indicates a healthy majority of Americans are fine with the name.

I mean it is nonsense.  The name was never selected as a tribute to the Native Americans, anybody familiar with the team's history in Boston knows that.  The fact that a majority of the Americans that are fine with the name is not a reflection of this particular argument by Snyder.  It was not intended for them anyway but an attempt to convince the vocal minority that does.

Besides throughout the entire existence of America, there have been hateful things that a healthy majority of Americans were fine with.

[alfred russel]

I mean it is nonsense.  The name was never selected as a tribute to the Native Americans, anybody familiar with the team's history in Boston knows that.  The fact that a majority of the Americans that are fine with the name is not a reflection of this particular argument by Snyder.  It was not intended for them anyway but an attempt to convince the vocal minority that does have a problem.

I don't think it is nonsense.

You generally don't name teams derogatory things. Generally speaking, the original intent of native american team names was to capture some sense of an honorable and fiercesome spirit for their team. In that way it is a tribute to them.

Now that may have been how the Braves got their name and the big motivation for redskins was to tap into their fan base or have cross promotional activities. But that doesn't mean the same considerations weren't at least a secondary consideration. It isn't as though the naming of the team can only touch on one single thing. Probably the Braves were named the Braves in part because of alliteration, just like the Tennessee Titans. But obviously it wasn't just the alliteration that resulted in those names.

[Valmy]

I mean it is nonsense.  The name was never selected as a tribute to the Native Americans, anybody familiar with the team's history in Boston knows that.  The fact that a majority of the Americans that are fine with the name is not a reflection of this particular argument by Snyder.  It was not intended for them anyway but an attempt to convince the vocal minority that does have a problem.

I don't think it is nonsense.

You generally don't name teams derogatory things. Generally speaking, the original intent of native american team names was to capture some sense of an honorable and fiercesome spirit for their team. In that way it is a tribute to them.

Now that may have been how the Braves got their name and the big motivation for redskins was to tap into their fan base or have cross promotional activities. But that doesn't mean the same considerations weren't at least a secondary consideration. It isn't as though the naming of the team can only touch on one single thing. Probably the Braves were named the Braves in part because of alliteration, just like the Tennessee Titans. But obviously it wasn't just the alliteration that resulted in those names.

Sure.  In the sense that the Redskins are no more or less a tribute than any other Native American sports name was intended to be.  Native Americans have long been mythologized in the US as legendary and fearsome warriors.  But there was no specific love for them by George Preston Marshall.  The only thing he had a deep sentimental attachment to was the Old South.  I am just glad the club did not get named the 'Rebels' or something.  And if the club was the Washington Braves or Washington Warriors or whatever Snyder would be fine.  Just his piss poor luck Marshall chose possibly the worst way to do it.

[alfred russel]

I am just glad the club did not get named the 'Rebels' or something.

And so what if they were? It is just a team name. Ole Miss and UNLV are called the Rebels and the sky hasn't fallen. Lots of Civil War names are out there. LSU are named after a confederate group that was nicknamed the tigers. For that matter there are US military installations named after confederate generals.

[derspiess]

Hey, at least they're not the Drunken Indians.  That'd be a lot worse than being mythologized as a fearsome warrior.

[Valmy]

And so what if they were?

It would annoy me personally that's all

[Valmy]

Hey, at least they're not the Drunken Indians.  That'd be a lot worse than being mythologized as a fearsome warrior.

As I said Marshall could have named them the wagon burners or scalpers or alcoholics.  It could have been worse.

[derspiess]

I am just glad the club did not get named the 'Rebels' or something.

And so what if they were? It is just a team name. Ole Miss and UNLV are called the Rebels and the sky hasn't fallen. Lots of Civil War names are out there. LSU are named after a confederate group that was nicknamed the tigers. For that matter there are US military installations named after confederate generals.

I'm kind of surprised we haven't changed the name of Ft. Carson.  IIRC he's the most hated white man in some Native American tribes.

[jimmy olsen]

Sure.  In the sense that the Redskins are no more or less a tribute than any other Native American sports name was intended to be.  Native Americans have long been mythologized in the US as legendary and fearsome warriors.  But there was no specific love for them by George Preston Marshall.  The only thing he had a deep sentimental attachment to was the Old South.  I am just glad the club did not get named the 'Rebels' or something.  And if the club was the Washington Braves or Washington Warriors or whatever Snyder would be fine.  Just his piss poor luck Marshall chose possibly the worst way to do it.

The Boston Rebels? That wouldn't have made any sense.

[dps]

Sure.  In the sense that the Redskins are no more or less a tribute than any other Native American sports name was intended to be.  Native Americans have long been mythologized in the US as legendary and fearsome warriors.  But there was no specific love for them by George Preston Marshall.  The only thing he had a deep sentimental attachment to was the Old South.  I am just glad the club did not get named the 'Rebels' or something.  And if the club was the Washington Braves or Washington Warriors or whatever Snyder would be fine.  Just his piss poor luck Marshall chose possibly the worst way to do it.

The Boston Rebels? That wouldn't have made any sense.

Folks like Paul Revere, Sam Adams, and John Adams might disagree with you.

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

And so what if they were? It is just a team name. Ole Miss and UNLV are called the Rebels and the sky hasn't fallen. Lots of Civil War names are out there. LSU are named after a confederate group that was nicknamed the tigers. For that matter there are US military installations named after confederate generals.

Yeah, but look at all the shit Ole Miss has gone through over their mascot.

[alfred russel]

Yeah, but look at all the shit Ole Miss has gone through over their mascot.

To be fair, the black bear is among the stupidest mascots ever.

[Valmy]

Yeah, but look at all the shit Ole Miss has gone through over their mascot.

To be fair, the black bear is among the stupidest mascots ever.

Why you have to be hating on the University of Maine?

[Ed Anger]

I miss Col. Reb

[PDH]

The University of Wyoming's mascot is Meth.  Or is that the fight song?